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I do not know for certain but there certainly could be.



Yes something is wrong because that is definitely not what you would want to do , To clarify what people are talking about is connecting the line "Outputs" ( one the back of the 2i4) from the Scarlet to the "Inputs" on the speakers. (not the other way around ?)

I am not familiar with Logitech or any outboard computer speakers, especially 5.1 surround speaker connection configurations . which may be some of the issue.
If I upgrade to a decent set of monitors the info you guys gave is helpful. For now I'm not making any changes. Nothing I do is critical anyway, it's just for fun.
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But..... With a pair of computer speakers like the Logitech 5.1 left and right desktop speakers - about 6" tall and 3 inches wide..... Is there going to really be an audible difference?

My speakers have 3 outputs 2i4 has 2 inputs. Something is wrong with this picture,
I'm confused with what you are using. "5.1" = 6 speakers (left front, left rear, center front, right front, right rear PLUS subwoofer).
Most computers don't have 6 outputs, or even 3 for use of a sub - the left and right would be channeled to the sub, which splits off the signals and the left and right speakers hook to it (?) Possibly even the rear speakers hook up to
it? (Unless of course you have a video computer set up with 6 channel audio)
Anyway when you reference 'room size' and other settings for this speaker system - its for use with surround sound movies, etc, not reproducing recorded music accurately.
I'm sure it works fine for your use, but hooking up speakers for reproducing recorded music accurately should not be done this way.
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To be fair, audio quality in Windows these days is very high (at the OS level). Most of this is due to heavy lobbying and pressure back in the mid-late 90s from internal and external media professionals.

Yea I'll have to take your word for it Gordon I haven't any contact with a Windows machine since my Dididesign days. Still, and even so, this doesn't change the idea that it doesn't make a whole lotta sense to purchase an interface only to use the Windows sound card.

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Old 04-08-2019, 11:29 AM
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Even motherboard chipset audio (let alone if using a soundcard) these days is very good. Many support up to 24bit at a 96000 rate
and may even have a digital out if you want to do DA conversion elsewhere. Even more so I would not worry about it in this case given that
the recording unit is a BEHRINGER audio interface UMC22.
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I'm confused with what you are using. "5.1" = 6 speakers (left front, left rear, center front, right front, right rear PLUS subwoofer).
Most computers don't have 6 outputs, or even 3 for use of a sub - the left and right would be channeled to the sub, which splits off the signals and the left and right speakers hook to it (?) Possibly even the rear speakers hook up to
it? (Unless of course you have a video computer set up with 6 channel audio)
Anyway when you reference 'room size' and other settings for this speaker system - its for use with surround sound movies, etc, not reproducing recorded music accurately.
I'm sure it works fine for your use, but hooking up speakers for reproducing recorded music accurately should not be done this way.
I don't have all the components hooked up due to lack of room, but yes it's a 6 speaker setup with a three out wire. I'd rather get a decent pair of monitoring speakers and now I learned that I can just plug them into the Scarlett just as long as I set it as the output also. Thanks.
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Even motherboard chipset audio (let alone if using a soundcard) these days is very good. Many support up to 24bit at a 96000 rate
and may even have a digital out if you want to do DA conversion elsewhere. Even more so I would not worry about it in this case given that
the recording unit is a BEHRINGER audio interface UMC22.
That is a fair point, although 96K/24bit support doesn't tell anything about distortion and other non-linearity, noise etc.

I think the issue many have is that Barry has never once heard the audio flowing through the UMC22(?) interface. Maybe there is no difference to him, and that's fine. But no way to judge if you haven't tried it.
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That is a fair point, although 96K/24bit support doesn't tell anything about distortion and other non-linearity, noise etc.

I think the issue many have is that Barry has never once heard the audio flowing through the UMC22(?) interface. Maybe there is no difference to him, and that's fine. But no way to judge if you haven't tried it.
Most of the digital issues arise at the ADC stage. Not sure I would trust a unit such as a BEHRINGER audio interface UMC22 to do a better job of that than a computer soundcard. That said there is the DAC stage and with a good enough playback system if the computer supports a digital out their might be some audible advantage with the use of a good external DAC
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I don't have all the components hooked up due to lack of room, but yes it's a 6 speaker setup with a three out wire. I'd rather get a decent pair of monitoring speakers and now I learned that I can just plug them into the Scarlett just as long as I set it as the output also. Thanks.
Many seasoned studio cats say that the monitoring chain is the most important part of a recording system. The basis for this is if I can't accurately hear what I am recording all other decisions (e.g., mic choice, mic placement, processing, etc.) will be compromised. While that may be true when mixing dozens of tracks from many different sources, its a bit less important when only mixing a stereo track of a single source, like solo fingerstyle guitar. Still, the monitoring chain is quite important (i.e., clock, DA conversion, monitors, location and room treatment).

I agree with the others. Monitors are to be connected to the interface's line or monitor analog outputs, not the computer's audio analog outputs.
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Many seasoned studio cats say that the monitoring chain is the most important part of a recording system.
I'm not a "seasoned studio cat" but I've also come around to that way of thinking. So much so in fact, that my first big gear purchase when I relocate and have a bigger room will be a set of midfield monitors and a sub. Not sure which yet, but midfields are in my future.
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I'd compare trying to record without decent monitors to trying to paint a picture with your eyes closed... Even for solo guitar. You really have to be able to hear what is there. You might get lucky and get an acceptable sound, just like you might accidentally paint a masterpiece without looking. But it's not likely :-)
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I'd compare trying to record without decent monitors to trying to paint a picture with your eyes closed... Even for solo guitar. You really have to be able to hear what is there. You might get lucky and get an acceptable sound, just like you might accidentally paint a masterpiece without looking. But it's not likely :-)
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I prefer very good and detailed headphones at all stages myself.

Can't stand headphones :-) but whatever allows you to hear!
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Many seasoned studio cats say that the monitoring chain is the most important part of a recording system. The basis for this is if I can't accurately hear what I am recording all other decisions (e.g., mic choice, mic placement, processing, etc.) will be compromised. While that may be true when mixing dozens of tracks from many different sources, its a bit less important when only mixing a stereo track of a single source, like solo fingerstyle guitar. Still, the monitoring chain is quite important (i.e., clock, DA conversion, monitors, location and room treatment).

I agree with the others. Monitors are to be connected to the interface's line or monitor analog outputs, not the computer's audio analog outputs.
Ok, but I have computer speakers, not studio monitors. I doubt my speakers would sound better through my Scarlett. I should at least try it though this weekend.
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Ok, but I have computer speakers, not studio monitors. I doubt my speakers would sound better through my Scarlett. I should at least try it though this weekend.
Get yourself a set of Grado headphones. My favorite (in the affordable range anyway) are 225e.
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Get yourself a set of Grado headphones. My favorite (in the affordable range anyway) are 225e.
I'll take a look at them, thanks. What do you suggest for an affordable pair of monitors?
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