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For me there is no preference. I am a singer
and a guitar player. I try to eek the most out of both. This is really more for me than the audience. who i find in general is less hard on me then i am. When i listen to a solo performer I listen to both guitar and vocal. I think the vocal is much easier to sound good using a mic 100 % of the time. Guitars have much more involved tone shaping as one tends to want a pickup to sound like a mic. As a musician audience member i suppose i listen for this more in the guitar than vocals because it's more of a chore to obtain. And then there's talent... |
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I agree, but, maybe the guitar playing could be better. Usually it's more the singing that is judged by whether it is good or not so good.
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I'm a female vocalist, piano/keyboard for yrs both in rock and blues bands and solo gigs. Part owner of a recording studio. I'm been using acoustic guitar 3 yrs. With vocals and guitar don't choose one whose intonation to your voice. That's why RW is so popular with male/female guitarists. the mids are out. Agree with the sustain issue. Although I'm a Taylor fan, not one of the V Class bracing for singers. On Piano, it's like keeping the damper pedal down, so all the chords run into each other. Let your voice be the instrument, let the guitar blend. On instrumental, keep it within your speaking voice tones. |
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I find two things to be true when I plug in to the Aviom. 1. All the settings are panned to the right. 2. The vocals are super loud. And since, like you, we are a variety of musicians, we have to figure out where everyone is. “I’m playing acoustic, am I in AG-1?” “What channels are the vocals in, they’re blowing my head off”. That’s the first fifteen minutes of rehearsal. Then I spend the first song trying to get everyone’s volume to a level where I can hear them, and not kill my eardrums. Then, I get myself loud enough for me to hear. After all that, then I work on the tone I’d like.
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I've been at this singing and playing thing for well over 50 years which, I suppose, has gained me a certain amount of experience. An instrument like the piano not only provides the structure of a song but supports the singer. My guitar needs to be in tune and be responsive to my needs within the song. It, like the piano, moves the song along as I sing. When I want it to be loud, deep, and boisterous, I want it there without me thinking about. When I want it soft or light it still must project enough to be noticed. When it is just me or with one other person performing I like using a microphone for acoustic guitars as I can vary its impact on the songs.
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Reading over all the varied responses, it seems this is a comfort thing.
Some people are comfortable with whatever comes out of their fine instrument when they strum it. Some require a guitar with scooped mids to feel comfortable. Some like a guitar with little sustain, or not too much volume. I think the style of music and the venue can have a pretty dramatic influence, as well as the qualities (volume/projection, deep or thin, etc.). If you're performing acoustically some things are way more critical that if you're singing into a PA. If you're strumming powerfully with a heavy pick it's considerably different than singing along with bare fingers and mostly arpeggios. If your singing for an audience that is mostly quiet and pays careful attention that requires more care than if you're trying to be heard in a noisy bar/restaurant. Personally, I can't stand to finger pick a guitar with low sustain. I am more than uncomfortable, I am a little offended that someone produced such an instrument (yes I know, a little over the top). It might be the perfect guitar sonically for my voice performing a particular song with powerful strumming - but we'll never know. I could not possibly sing my best playing a guitar with a sound I didn't love. So while I can see the logic of some choices, I think my bottom line is whatever makes you happy is a good choice. When all is said and done the job is to sell the song. The pieces all have to come together to make the magic.
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I saw you looked for a VE8 on another thread.... I did a little 'save' setup yesterday and in a mo, I will give it a test. (probably operator error in the early days of ownership but when I saved some setting I wanted, it altered when I turned the machine back on the next day - it put a chorus on my guitar! I haven't used chorus since about 1982, wore it out.) But yesterday I did a save of the basic settings I use - on the guitar side, nothing, that I don't do externally, plain jane guitar IN, but on the vocal side I have small amounts of some reverb/delay/comp-EQ that I like. So, I saved that as '1'..... Added the single harmony vocal, saved that as '2'. Added 2 harmony vocals, saved that as '3'. I can do the plain settings on 'Manual' and press the button with my foot for the one harmony, but to alter the harmony settings in the middle of a song needs a stop in playing to lean down and change the knob. Now with the saved settings above, I can do an intro and a verse or 2 in setting '1' and press the foot button to go to setting '2' with the harmony for a chorus, back to '1' for another verse....and then the tricky dancing feet part...skip across '2' to get to '3' for 2 harmony backups! Easier to do that explain! Of course, you can do way, way more complicated stuff than this, but..you know... BluesKing777. |
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FYI: Update. I did save everything as described, turned everything off at the wall and the next day it still worked! Must have been operator error that last time it didn’t work when trying it later... The hard thing is to press the (foot) buttons while playing and singing preferably still in time! To use 5 or more different settings you have saved needs some delicate timing! What does everyone else do with the ‘saving’ possiblities? BluesKing777. |
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I've been entertaining in retirement homes for 11 years and spent some time recording at home.
One interesting thing I discovered is that I sing much better when I'm playing as opposed to recording the guitar on one track and then singing along with the guitar on another track. I had to tweak the pitch in my recording software all the time when I recorded vocals on a separate track. Not sure why that is, but it was an interesting fact to discover. |
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