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Bolt-on vs set neck
What are some of the advantages and disadvantages of each on electric guitars?
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The ideal solution is of course neck through, a kind of construction common in high end instruments.
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And yes you will hear the difference with the drummer on.
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Set neck/neck through:
Pros: More sustain+resonance Deeper bass Cons: More expensive to manufacture Potentially too dark of a tone If you have neck issues, repairs are much more expensive Can't adjust the neck pitch or shim it Bolt-on Pros: More treble+punch Easier to manufacture You can adjust the neck height and pitch Bad neck? Get a new one Cons: Sometimes loss of bass, sustain, and/or resonance That being said, there are no absolutes. I have bolt-on acoustics, electrics, and basses with amazing sustain. I have a few neck-through guitars/basses with plenty of punch. |
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The responses in the thread so far are what I read about the differences many years ago. They could be true in some contexts. "Until the drummer shows up" would be one such alternative context.
In that same era when I first heard of these differences, sustain was the leading rationale for the set neck. Sustain was considered an unalloyed--well brass is an alloy, and was often also invoked too (grin)--positive thing. As practical matter, once I plugged in through my Big Muff it didn't matter how the neck was attached, also I had ferocious finger vibrato at the time, and could sustain notes through that. Those days are gone, but the point remains, even those seeking extreme sustain can achieve it a multitude of ways without a set neck or neck through. Over the years I've begun to wonder though. The difference between glue and multiple screws (or even true "bolts" into threaded inserts, which though rarer, exist) just isn't clear to me structurally. It's still two pieces of wood joined solidly so that I can't see how the vibration path should change so much. I can see how many other neck related things could effect the pure tone played at lower volume though a clean amp with no competing sounds: scale length certainly, the type and mass of the wood used, even the size of the frets more than I could see how they are joined. I have guitars with both neck attachments. I enjoy them because they sound, look and feel different. When I'm looking to grab a guitar because the one I'm playing doesn't fit the track, I'm usually thinking pickups, hollow-body or not, or scale length more than neck attachment. Of course I don't have the best ears, and even if I did, it wouldn't mean that your experience might not differ.
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I own all three and I'll tell you what I really think:
There are a couple of basic electric guitar philosophies out there and they feature so many differences in construction that it is hard to nail sounds down to one characteristic. The two: classic Fender and classic Gibson. 1. Classic Fender: The new kid on the block. The Ford of the guitar world. The epitome of assembly line construction. Maple necks built on one assembly line, lightweight bodies built on another assembly line, electronics built into pickguards on a third assembly line. Single coil pickups are the signature and give the signature snap and bite that offers a whole octave of overtones more than the Gibsons. The neck was designed for easy assembly and replacement. Leo was the iconoclast who built zorchy guitars that looked like they were from Mars but took the West Coast by storm. 2. Classic Gibson: Gibson has a longer history in guitar making and has self-consciously pursued a classier image. From the start, Gibson guitars were marketed to appear upscale and classic. As a result they stuck with their dovetail neck construction that demands that the neck and body be joined fairly early in the assembly process and remain together unless major surgery is done. Rather than covering the body with a plastic pickguard they built the electronics into the guitar where they are more heavily influenced by body vibration. By the late-middle of the '50s they featured humbucking pickups that traded off an octave of overtones for drastically quieter operation. Between the choices and combinations of woods, pickups, and building techniques, classic Gibsons tend to compress the front end bloom of the note and give longer sustain. And there are the problems with isolating neck joint as a singular factor: there are whole clusters of factors that all play into the sound of instruments that tend to move as groups. Neck joint, pickup type and mounting, tailpiece type, etc. You may see a pickup type change but several other characteristics are often maintained. Bob
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great post bob, i think you nailed it.
however, ZORCHY?? i had to look it up. street slang from the 50s meaning neat. learn something new every day. jaden: make sure you get one of each. play music!
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Great post Bob, that whole octave of overtones you mention with regard to the Fender single coil puts it over the top for me. Keeping in mind Frank’s discussion of low volume straight into the amp clean and s2y’s succinct post with reference to possible problematic dark tone going the other way, having both a tele and strat at home with a acoustic guitar on the side covers all the bases for my purposes and then some. I’ll leave the set neck instruments to the pros.
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I'm also convinced that all things being equal like wood, there's next to no difference in tone between a bolted in or glued in neck joint. |
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Always wanted one of these. I sort of look at it as the ultimate evolution of the dual-humbucker Les Paul.
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This is: It's the D45 of electric guitars.
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I can't see why a bolt on done well will not sustain less than a set design. I remembered this as a video, guess I was wrong.
https://www.cycfi.com/2013/11/sustain-myth-science/
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Making the neck easily removable is really the only difference, which is an advantage of course.
Neck-through designs typically do not have a neck heel. So if you are into guitar shred and play notes up in the stratosphere all the time, a nec-through would probably be the most comfortable of all. When it comes to “tonal” differences....totally subjectice issue.
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i really dont even care about the pro and cons of either, ill take a bolt on neck- period, i like the fact its highly adjustable and replaceable
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