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I think that pretty much everybody who cares about mandolins would say that unless you are a bluegrass player, a used Mid Mo/Big Muddy is the best choiceunder $500. If you need mandolin chop from a carved top instrument, your choices are a Kentucky or Eastman.
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"a guitar geek's guide to mandolins"
Not exactly an answer to the OP, but I just found this & wanted to share. Some fun stuff:
http://www.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle...Mandolins.aspx
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A few years back I also wanted to try a mandolin. Ran into the usual "need to spend $2K+ for a good one" comments, which, if you want to be a serious mandolin player might be true, but to dip your toe into it isn't helpful.
I eventually picked up a Kentucky KM-350 A-type and have been very happy with it. It has met all my mando requirements and even sounded very nice on a recording I did in a pro studio (the Neumann U47 probably didn't hurt either). Good luck with your mando hunt. Later Rob |
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My point was the mismatch of approaches that caused some to recommend $2K instruments to someone who posted "I’d like to get a mandolin and start learning, for an occasional song here and there." Really? $2K for an occasional instrument? And, by the way, I've been a pro musician since the mid-Seventies and I do know good sound from bad. I own one of those sub $500 mandolins with a JJB pickup, and it suits my needs just fine (occasional song here and there). I am thankful I did not spend anymore as I have discovered that my fingers are not suitable for the small fretboard, limiting how much progress I can make.
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OK. Let me try to get this back on track. We are kind of talking at each other, and I am not sure how productive that is. To me, we all seem to be more or less in heated agreement with respect to what is available, we are just looking at it from different perspectives.
I think Mandobart and I are approaching this from the perspective of mandolinists who (as mandolinists) require an instrument at a level of quality that exceeds what is needed by someone who just needs a different sound for a tune or two. Honestly, if you are just going to slap a pickup on it and play through an acoustic amp backed by drums, an ebg, and a couple of other electric instruments, then you probably don't care much about the rich and nuanced tone that can only be found on a high quality mandolin. And I don't mean this as a slight. It's horses for courses. Those of us who really like mandolins, we want to hear something from our instruments that is (usually) not found on less expensive instruments. That is great. I am in this camp. But it has been pointed out that there are folks out there that really just want a varied tonal palette and are quite happy that there are more affordable options available (because there was a time when there were not. We live in a wonderful, golden age of quality, inexpensive acoustic instruments). For someone in this camp, any of these (a used Mid Mo/Big Muddy, a Kentucky Km 150 or an Eastman 305) with a K&K mandolin pickup will serve their needs.
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Ventura Instruments (not the same company as the C. Bruno imports of the 70's) has some nice instruments at good price points. They only sell thru independent dealers. I'm looking to them about an intro mandolin and violin.
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lots of good advice above.
I have recently been through a similar quest to the OP, just not looking for a pickup on the mando. I ended up with a Kentucky 350 used from GC for about $200. It needed setting up, but there is a nice guy on mandolin cafe offering a free setup book, so that was ok. It's loud - no sneaky practicing after the family's gone to bed... I'm terms of new instruments the Kentucky 150 seems to have a lot of fans. If you get it from somewhere like Elderly then it comes nicely setup. I didn't want to spend that much though. With pickups the budget usual suspects are ibanez, fender, Epiphone and Gretch. I think they are all laminate, but that may not be a killer. A style offers much more bang for the buck than f. F holes are more strident than round soundholes, so are better at cutting through the mix. Round soundholes seem better for classical and celtic. Setup is everything. The guy who sends out the setup book uses Rogue mandos and seems to make them play..... If you get one without a pickup you can always add one later if you want to. Mandolessons.com has some great material and lessons. Good luck and have fun |
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I think I'll say what I always say and that is to buy the best one you can afford. I also want people to fall in love with the instrument, and with that in mind want anyone to buy a carved all solid wood instrument. The Kentucky KM 150 is one that comes up all the time. If you buy one from one of the Mandolin Cafe sponsors, it will come with a set up.
Slightly more money will buy you an Eastman 305. There are a whole host of great looking cheap mandolins, and I wouldn't recommend any of them. Used you can get a seriously good A style for $1200- $1500. But a KM 150 can take you a long way. Get a K&K put in it later. See you over at the Cafe
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loooong time guitarist since the mid 50's, and mandolinist since the turn of this millennium. getting into mando can easily have you chasing yer tail and wasting a ton of dollar$.
my strong recommendation is to go with any breedlove crossover (built offshore, of course). they all have a bit wider guitarist friendly 1-3/16" nut width, all solid woods, a very good and basic mando tone. the cost of $400-$700 (depending essentially on the body shape, but not the playability or tone) won't break the bank. i did a lot of recordings with a crossover kf model that i electrified. that same mando is now being used by an industry recognized recording engineer and studio guitarist for lots of cable tv show sound bytes. electricfy with either a K&K mando transducer duo or an LR baggs radius. i've used both and both will do just fine. you may or may not need a preamp DI. |
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Great stuff, I appreciate all who have chimed in. Here's where I'm at:
There is a KM-140 on CL that I could get for $150. I understand it's a heat pressed top, so not as good as a 150 that has a carved top but for $150... who knows. Also, a friend of mine has a left-handed KM-200 he said I could borrow. I have experience with guitar lutherie and setups so I have considered converting it to a right handed by buying a right handed pre-slotted TUSQ nut and right handed saddle. That + strings is probably $50. Those Big Muddy's look interesting, although not very traditional looking.
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There are also a couple of Kentucky’s on GC used just now @$200 ish. I think there is a 350 and a 250(?). Not clear about the age or the specs, but may reward a look.
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I’m curious about this opinion. Eastman and Kentucky (for example) offer sub-$500 (and sub-$400) models with all solid woods, hand-carved tops, nitro finish, bound fretboard, and decent basic hardware. Those specs alone put them a step above a $200 Yamaha guitar. My first guitar was a $200 Yamaha FG-700. It was okay, but I never thought it was great, and I was happy to move on from it. I just picked up a new Kentucky KM-270 for just $400, and I think it’s a nicer instrument than my old Yamaha in just about every way. My goal was to have something decent to learn on that plays well and sounds good, and, if things go that way, inform my decision-making if I decide to upgrade at some point in the future. I think my sub-$500 mando fits that bill at least as well as a $200 Yamaha would in the guitar universe.
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there are only TWO things to be aware of with stringed instruments - playability and sound.
playability is Most Important - if it can't be reasonably played, then the instrument is useless no matter how wonderful it sounds. sound belongs to the ears of the beholder. there has been, and will continue to be, wonderful music created with what most would call junker instruments. an example of that is some of the stellar blues players of the 30's to 50's. sound emanates from yer brain and fingers, first and foremost. it really doesn't much matter if the mandolin or guitar yer picking on has a solid or laminated top if YOU can make it WORK to produce good music. got chops? the rest is pure bullsh1t and elitism. ymmv, but it shouldn't. |