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Old 08-07-2014, 02:02 PM
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Default Silk and Steel strings on 1897 Washburn Parlor?

I have an old Washburn parlor guitar. From the markings inside I think it was made between 1897 and 1905. When I got it, it had an ugly non - original bridge on it. I patched a hole in the back and had a local luthier do a neck reset and install a pyramid bridge on it. Originally I tried stringing it with extra light gauge (10 - 47) Elixirs but the neck started bowing more than it should so I put nylon strings on it and used it that way for a year or so. Recently I found GHS makes silk and steel strings that are 10 - 42 so I bought a set and put them on today. So far so good, but I am wondering if there is a definitive way I can tell if this guitar was made to use steel strings or gut. Scale length is 25" and there is a bridge plate. The tuning machines have the narrow turrets, not fat like a classical guitar.

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Old 08-07-2014, 04:21 PM
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email washburn. they are actually still around.
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Old 08-07-2014, 05:23 PM
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What sort of bracing is inside of it? If it's X or ladder it should be ok.
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Old 08-07-2014, 07:09 PM
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What sort of bracing is inside of it? If it's X or ladder it should be ok.
Ladder bracing.
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Old 08-07-2014, 09:00 PM
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All Washburn standard models up to 1915 were built for gut strings. If you want to PM me the serial number off the top of the headstock I may be able to give you a year of manufacture Warren.

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Old 08-08-2014, 07:20 AM
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Definitely gut. But I've seen a lot of those do well with the S&S strings too. If it were mine I'd tune down to be safe. It's not so much the neck I'd be worried about but the top. The one's I have repaired anyway, had very thin tops with a lot of rotation on the bridge from years of steel string tension.
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Old 08-08-2014, 08:17 PM
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It's been 24 hours and the neck doesn't seem to be moving. The tension on these silk and steel strings seems to be lower than the nylon strings I had on there before.
I don't think the top is going to belly or the bridge rotate, because it had heavier gauge steel strings on it when I got it and the top only had a very slight belly to it and the bridge had only a very slight rotation, and the strings were old, as in rusty, so they had been on it a long time. It is certainly loud and has impressive bass for it's size (13 3/4" lower bout) and a nice mellow sound.
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Old 08-08-2014, 09:30 PM
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Okay Warren, from what you gave me in the PM, plus what I can see from your pic (lack of fret markers) provided the fret board is original. You have a 1887-1889 Grand Concert, BRW back and sides, spruce top with Spanish cedar neck.

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Keep your eye on it, definitely made for gut.
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Old 08-09-2014, 03:43 PM
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Here's a link to Tomastik Infeld strings which shows tensions. Their silk and bronze seem to have pretty low tension and produce a really nice tone (to my ear)


http://www.thomastik-infeld.com/site...er_06_13sc.pdf
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Old 08-10-2014, 10:47 AM
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Oh yeah I meant to ask you for a pic of the back and sides my guess was BRW as well. Would love to see it.
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Old 08-10-2014, 07:47 PM
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Oh yeah I meant to ask you for a pic of the back and sides my guess was BRW as well. Would love to see it.

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Beautiful. I have a parlour from just a bit later (1917) and it is ladder braced but good to go with steel strings... and I have Thomastik plectrums on it (the AC111 set). I love the sound that little guitar makes.

FWIW, the only real reference guide for these guitars is the one by Hubert Pleijsier... the current Washburn company is not even vaguely related to the old one.
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FWIW, the only real reference guide for these guitars is the one by Hubert Pleijsier... the current Washburn company is not even vaguely related to the old one.
That is what I used to date it, one thing that threw me a bit was the style number Warren has so I just ignored that and looked at all the other details. Funny though that pic looks like a Mahogany neck, can you confirm that Warren?

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Old 08-11-2014, 05:44 AM
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That is what I used to date it, one thing that threw me a bit was the style number Warren has so I just ignored that and looked at all the other details. Funny though that pic looks like a Mahogany neck, can you confirm that Warren?

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I am pretty sure it is Spanish Cedar. Doesn't look like Mahogany to me.
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Ok yup, that's what I expected it to look like a nice dark BRW. To just think of how available that stuff was back then!
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