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I agree. If RainSong is doing this under the clear coat it is especially impressive. Dont know for sure but Im pretty certain they can only do this for the top because the backs are rounded. No idea what the up charge is either.
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Those are beautiful! If they made a cutaway dread, I'd be ridiculously tempted. I would love to compare one of these to my H-OM, which I find to be warm and full-sounding.
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To your thinking I would love a non-cutaway OM but I just don't think it will ever happen due to their layup approach. When it comes to cutaways nobody does it better than Emerald- guess you will find out very soon!
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Could you explain? I too would love a non-cutaway OM...
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Its because of the way RainSong uses aluminum molds- very expensive. I read that here and will see if I can find that info.
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Oh ok. What you're saying is that to build a non-cutaway OM, they'd have to build a new aluminum mold - yes?
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How was the new ballpark?
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Re the Emerald, new shipping notice in my e-mal from UPS, should be tomorrow. Well see.
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Wonderful... Opening day today. Love how the ballpark is cut directly into the hill of the city. They even have a "Worcester Wall" with seats, similar to the Green Monster only this wall is a retainer wall.
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=> Wikipedia wood veneer The thickness of spruce or cedar single top soundboards range from 2.5-4.0mm or 0.10-0.16" or 3/32-5/32". Carbon fibre sound tops range from 0.10" single top to 0.4" double top. The thickness of cabinet and furniture grade fancy wood veneers are 0.018-0.027" (commonly 1/40") or 0.5-0.6mm. Comparable to cereal box card at 0.022" business cards at 0.016", or five sheets of printer paper. Exotic veneers on Emerald guitars: Emerald veneers are cabinet grade veneers (0.5-0-6mm) approx the thickness and floppiness of cereal box cardstock. Alistair says it doesn't affect the tone of their guitars. Owners generally agree. Spruce layer on RainSong SFT Vintage and Nashville series guitars The spruce layer shown in this video and the photo on Facebook (I don't know how to link the photo) is clearly a stiff layer and not a floppy furniture type veneer. The Facebook photo shows a stack of rough cut soundboards including one double edge overcut that would be impossible on a 0.5mm veneer. It's likely 1.5-2.0mm as used on each layer of double top wood guitars. Or 3X as thick as furniture veneer. RainSong calls it a spruce layer not a veneer. RainSong says the SFT spruce layer affects the sound of Vintage/Nashville series guitars. Owners like the sound and say it's a bit different from all composite guitars. And... if you want a guitar to sound a bit like a spruce top why not add a spruce layer to help it along? $450 upgrade from CO series to Vintage series PS. Yeah, technically a "veneer" can be much thicker than 1/40" fine furniture grade stuff example 1/8" rough layers used to make construction grade plywood. PPS. Cheers.
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Thanks Casual....
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Thanks guys. Good to hear others are interested in details.
Forgot to add this about veneer/layer vs sound: Exotic wood veneer on Emerald guitars: Veneer is probably too floppy to vibrate and add to sound volume Veneer is probably too thin to dampen the sound volume. Veneer density is probably close to the density of the resin and paint Spruce SFT layer on RainSong Vintage and Nashville guitars: Spruce layer is solid enough to vibrate and contribute to the sound Pickguard indicates the spruce layer is easier to abuse than CF And more from the Youtube video: The opening side view shows the thickness of the spruce top layer (owners can look and confirm on their guitars) The spruce layer is attached directly to a carbon fibre layer, and looks as thick or thicker than the CF. The worker reaches into the freezer for two pieces of pre-cut pre-impregnated CF. Vidιo shows one piece being added to the guitar top. (it's not clear if both pieces are for the same guitar or for two guitars: a trade secret detail not important to us as customers). Looks like the SFT layers are directly attached (fused hence "Soundboard Fusion Technology") and not a "double top sandwich with spacer" design used on the CO and other series. The layers are put in a frame to maintain flatness. (Note the bridge inner reinforcement plate.) The assembly is put in the autoclave curing oven and attached to a vacuum pump to suck the layers together. Oven temp shows 150*F. Other: CNC robot work on a guitar neck. Various stages of assembly. Other: Glimpse of aluminium body mold(s) at 3.43 and 6.16 minutes. Cheers.
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