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Not to say I would embrace auto-tune, but what exactly does anyone think frets are?
I'm sure there were musicians who played traditional fretless instruments that would have reacted the same way when observing someone playing a fretted instrument. "We didn't need anything to help us with musical intervals for a million years, why on earth do we need frets now? It must be a lack of talent that someone uses them." There's a lot of "You kids get off my lawn" going on here. I don't see much difference between a musician using a device to create live harmony and a musician who records his work and markets it, or taking "recording" a step further, incorporates live "recording" (looping) into their performance. All of this is simply the choice of the performer and anyone has a choice to listen or not as they choose. Anyone who watches Ed Sheeran do a live looping performance in front of 100,000 adoring fans at Glastonbury realizes these devices are simply tools and don't have anything to do with talent vs lack thereof. |
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If you don't already have the chops or singing talent, a looper or harmonizer isn't going to make you sound any better. It's just going to give you a lot "more" of what you're already doing wrong. For the past 10 years I've been playing with my mic and my guitar plugged directly into the amp or PA and I've been successful with that route. Right now I'm working on putting together a gigging pedal board that also includes a Mic Mechanic to help richen up my vocals a bit and also provides a small amount of correction because, face it, after a few 3 and 4 hour gigs in a row everyone gets tired and misses a note occasionally.
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Unless you don't like hearing Rick Beato complain about stuff,
this short video is fun and connects with this thread a little... -Mike |
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I still feel the same way about it: for a solo performer, it adds interest to use the harmonies on some chorus parts. Still best when used subtly and not over-used. With a decade of using a harmonizer, most reaction is "sounds good," with the rare occasional person looking around to see where that second voice is coming from. No downside, other than 2 more cords and another minute or so of set up time.
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Love Rick Beato, excellent rant, and happily surprised his big demographic is younger people. But I don't see autotune in studios as the same thing as harmonizers and loopers for solo live gigs. So focusing on this thread I will simply say:
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In the late 90's I used a Roland GR?? I forget but it was a Guitar effect that you added a pickup to your guitar and you could play hundreds of sounds....Like:
I used steel drums on "Margarita Ville" Strings on "Nights in White Satin" And more Not on every song...only in selected spots and songs But I was the second guitar...The Rhythm guitar so I could fall out and use other sounds when needed Yea it was fun watching people try to figure out where the Strings or Horns or Steel drums were coming from I've got a MicMechanic that I've used mainly for pretty up the vocals and reverb into a PA speaker but I'm selling that today because I'll have reverb in the Gigmix I'm going to buy soon I never really used the auto-Tune ....I know when I hit a bad note and I fix it... So I guess what I'm saying is just supporting what others have said... Effects are great when used sparingly and at the right places. |
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Musicians have increasingly become prima donnas. Nobody wants to be a team member and work with other musicians. It's my way or I'll quit.
Any device that reduces the dependency of musicians on each other makes it possible for all musicians to realize their musical ideas without having to survive band politics. I spent years backing up other musicians - playing 'follow the leader' - because I was able to play their music and they were either unable or unwilling to play mine (OMG it has more than 4 chords!!!). Now I only work alone - using midi devices to replace other musicians. Now I'm finally able to play MY music. Too bad, cause the best music is the product of teamwork, cooperation and collaboration. But that's from a time long ago. |
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Or even better.,...Mack the Knife |
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Too many Rock 'n Roll star wanna be's and too few dedicated musicians.
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It's a choice. Collaboration can be wonderful, but I'm not going to knock anyone for how they make their music. |
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. Everybody has a right to be a star without all that tedious practicing and learning.[/QUOTE]
Yes just listen to the songs on the top of the charts right now. So much digital processing going into them. You can't tell if they can carry a tune or not. My Dad has one of these units. So I have had the chance to play with it. I played for years in a band full of singers. And real harmony. If it's a choice between my voice alone and this emulated crap. I'll chose my voice alone. |
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