Dead spot

[ewalling]

I have to say this is not something I really notice. Providing the guitar sounds good on the whole, I'm not really aware if one or two notes on one or two frets are a little underwhelming. Perhaps now I've read this thread, I will be!

[dmoss74]

Originally Posted by ewalling

I have to say this is not something I really notice. Providing the guitar sounds good on the whole, I'm not really aware if one or two notes on one or two frets are a little underwhelming. Perhaps now I've read this thread, I will be!

what's even more bizarre, is that i have a dead note on a les paul. the A at the 10th fret of the b string. the frets are fine. it's just that same thing. a note that decays way too fast.

[jezza]

Thanks for your replies.I'll give playing the dead spot over and over a try,but you'll have to pay for my psychiatric care!I'll let you know if this works.Thanks again....Jerry

[ewalling]

Originally Posted by dmoss74

what's even more bizarre, is that i have a dead note on a les paul. the A at the 10th fret of the b string. the frets are fine. it's just that same thing. a note that decays way too fast.

But isn't this a bit of a non issue? One note on one fret! You're a tough customer to please!

[dmoss74]

Originally Posted by ewalling

But isn't this a bit of a non issue? One note on one fret! You're a tough customer to please!

yeah, but i happen to play that note, in that particular spot, a lot.

[jezza]

Thanks for all of your kind replies.I'll let you know what happens.A friend took his GS mini back to the store and all 3 of these guitars had exactly the same problem.His money was refunded as the shop owner couldn't retcify the problem.Guess I'll just have to shut up and play my guitar,as Frank Zappa advised.Thanks again....Jerry

[ewalling]

Originally Posted by dmoss74

yeah, but i happen to play that note, in that particular spot, a lot.

My advice would be to transfer your affections to a new spot!

[superfluidity]

Try putting the guitar next to your speaker system and play a combined audacity frequency waveform of the f# to g, that way if it is in the wood it may open up without you playing the note forever. F# has been known to have very strange properties. Be careful your guitar doesn't levitate.

David Jay Jordan
Why F sharp

It can be researched that F sharp was used to levitate stones. ( SEE Sonic Stone Levitation ) It can also be researched that inside the Lord's Great Pyramid at Giza, F sharp was used, and resonates. (SEE F Sharp Key to Kings Chamber and F sharp in Ark )

F sharp is ....
375.11 hertz equals 36 inches

[stephenT]

Originally Posted by dmoss74

as far as what to call it, i've heard wolf tone, but most articles, etc about wolf tones result in the weird "howl" you get on violins, etc. but the dead note thing on acoustic guitars has been called the same thing, too. at least the last time i checked.

from another forum:
http://theunofficialmartinguitarforu...r#.V1RT1_krK70

That's why guitar players aren't in the orchestra,.. can't tell the difference between a dead spot and a wolf tone.

[dmoss74]

Originally Posted by talkgtr

That's why guitar players aren't in the orchestra,.. can't tell the difference between a dead spot and a wolf tone.

that's true.

[Alan Carruth]

As far as I can tell, and I've been looking at this for a long time, 'dead' notes on guitars tend to have the same causes as 'wolf' note on violin family instruments. The only real difference is the way the strings are driven.On a guitar, as has been said, the resonance tends to suck all the energy out of the string and turn it into sound quickly, so you get a note that's twice as powerful for half as long. Twice the power is a 'just noticeable difference' in loudness because of the way your ears work, so all you tend to notice is the lack of sustain. On a violin you keep feeding energy into the string with the bow, so the sound doesn't die out, it just goes nuts as the response becomes non-linear at that pitch. This is a complex phenomenon: it puzzled a lot of folks until Raman took a look at it one summer when he was between jobs, so to speak. He went on to win a Nobel prize for his work on stellar evolution...

[IndianaGeo]

As some others have pointed out, you have a wolf tone. I'd played loads of Martins in my search for my HD28 recently and I couldn't find one that didn't have a wolf tone on the F or F# to one degree or another. My HD28 has what I would call a very mild wolf tone at the F, but relative to the many other Martins I'd played it is minimal. Interestingly, I get (for my taste anyway) a lovely overtone when I strike an A note, particularly on the high E string. It's like I hear angels singing. Broadly speaking, I've yet to come across a solution to the issue of wolf tones.

IG

[TBman]

"Dead spot"

Sounds like a Stephen King book.

[dmoss74]

Originally Posted by Alan Carruth

As far as I can tell, and I've been looking at this for a long time, 'dead' notes on guitars tend to have the same causes as 'wolf' note on violin family instruments. The only real difference is the way the strings are driven.On a guitar, as has been said, the resonance tends to suck all the energy out of the string and turn it into sound quickly, so you get a note that's twice as powerful for half as long. Twice the power is a 'just noticeable difference' in loudness because of the way your ears work, so all you tend to notice is the lack of sustain. On a violin you keep feeding energy into the string with the bow, so the sound doesn't die out, it just goes nuts as the response becomes non-linear at that pitch. This is a complex phenomenon: it puzzled a lot of folks until Raman took a look at it one summer when he was between jobs, so to speak. He went on to win a Nobel prize for his work on stellar evolution...

so, in theory, one could go all "jimmy page" and apply a bow to the offending note, at which point (after some sustain) you'd get that wacky effect that violins, etc get?

[alnico5]

I found that my clunky "G" on the D string at fret 5 and A string at fret 10 was caused in large part by my picking forearm resting on the soundboard and hindering vibration. Why didn't it deaden all notes? Heck if I know. Natural resonance of the top?