IR Loader question.

[Daniel Grenier]

I admit to knowing very little about IRs and related hardware. However, I do believe I would (probably) benefit from having one. So, ideally, I'd like a very basic loader in my Sunnaudio MS-2 on ch#1 (k&k pure mini transducer ... ch2 is an internal mic).

The idea would be to have the IR on the k&k via the MS-2 pre (or post?) insert. I would want a no-frills, dead simple loader (i.e. no eq, no pre-amp, no fx etc) something like the TC Electronics IR Loader or similar?

Would that work and offer tangible improvements? Pros? Cons? Thanks, as always.

[Cuki79]

Check that video from Doug Young



>However, I do believe I would (probably) benefit from having one.
You have to define what benefit you want to get.
There are things IR can do... and things IR can not do.

> I would want a no-frills, dead simple loader (i.e. no eq, no pre-amp, no fx >etc) something like the TC Electronics IR Loader or similar?

That would work for many things... but you did not define what you expect.

Also what PA or amp do you use?

If you use something that colors the tone like a Bose S1 pro I don't think you'll gain anything.

Personally, I would use dual source for most things... and if I got into feedback territory I'd use IR... But mostly my last process ("Dry") which is a combination of IR and elaborate EQ. I don't see the huge benefit of combing both... since I am using a JBL eon one compact...

[Daniel Grenier]

Originally Posted by Cuki79

.... you did not define what you expect.

Also what PA or amp do you use? .

Merci, Cuki... and thanks for reminding me of Doug's video which, in fact, shows that his setup is pretty much exactly like mine (- the IR) so I'd wish for essentially the same results as Doug (i.e. make the k&k sound more acoustic-like).

I do use the latest version of the MS-2 + Neunaber stereo reverb going to a pair of QSC CP8s (or to a Zedi10 mixer first depending) so all I'd need to (potentially) improve the k&k is an IR Loader that is more/less plug&play as building IRs like Doug does in this vid is well out of my abilities at this time.

[Doug Young]

Originally Posted by Daniel Grenier

Merci, Cuki... and thanks for reminding me of Doug's video which, in fact, shows that his setup is pretty much exactly like mine (- the IR) so I'd wish for essentially the same results as Doug (i.e. make the k&k sound more acoustic-like).

I do use the latest version of the MS-2 + Neunaber stereo reverb going to a pair of QSC CP8s (or to a Zedi10 mixer first depending) so all I'd need to (potentially) improve the k&k is an IR Loader that is more/less plug&play as building IRs like Doug does in this vid is well out of my abilities at this time.

You could also place ToneDexter, VoicePrint, etc in the pickup path. I'm currently just using ToneDexter instead of the CabM. It provides more flexibility.

[Cuki79]

Daniel,

Do you have by chance, a line 6 HX stomp or something similar?

[Daniel Grenier]

Originally Posted by Cuki79

Daniel,

Do you have by chance, a line 6 HX stomp or something similar?

No I don’t, Cuki. I like simple with minimal learning curves so I’m not sure the HX would be a good fit?

[jamison162]

Why not get the TCE IR Loader and try it out for 30/45 days? You can buy some really good IR packs from WorshipTutorials.com. Only thing you can't do with the TCE I believe is control the mix of original signal and IR, like say with the Baggs VPDI. But the TCE is 1/4 the cost.

On sale at Sweetwater: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...ulse-ir-loader

[Cuki79]

Originally Posted by jamison162

Why not get the TCE IR Loader and try it out for 30/45 days? You can buy some really good IR packs from WorshipTutorials.com. Only thing you can't do with the TCE I believe is control the mix of original signal and IR, like say with the Baggs VPDI. But the TCE is 1/4 the cost.

On sale at Sweetwater: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...ulse-ir-loader

You can control the mix of the IR but it requires manipulation of the IR file.

People like Jonfields45 or me can do it easily.

[Cuki79]

Originally Posted by Daniel Grenier

No I don’t, Cuki. I like simple with minimal learning curves so I’m not sure the HX would be a good fit?

Again that depends what you want to gain from the IR.
HX enables to use my latest processes.

For me It is not only a problem of tone, it is also a problem of « feel » and how you minimise the IR drawback (distant feel) and maximise its benefit (more natural tone, more natural response)

Here is a playlist of videos of my setup. You can compare the 3 IR configurations and my DIY dual source config. You can listen and check if you can foresee any benefit from combining both.

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL...hlLc9qSAGET1m5

My Helix preset are usable « as is » but you don’t want to have a big pedal on your pedalboard if it does not bring anything for you. Personally if I had to use IR, I would go HX because I like my dry preset enough to choose the bigger pedal… but it is a matter of taste.

If you really want to know, send me a Google drive/Dropbox of 3 files of the same recorded session
1) external mic pointing at the 12th frets
2) pickup alone
3) internal mic alone

I will process all the combination and make a demo for you to listen to …. however you won’t get the « feel » of it.

[BoxCar_Joe]

I use the TC Electronic pedal and it's on all the time.
I'm using one of the acoustic presets that come with the pedal and it sounds lovely.

My main goal was to tame a hot peizo pickup and it does that really well.

One day I'll try for more accuracy, but right now I'm really happy.

[Daniel Grenier]

Cuki, thanks very kindly for the good tips, info, and all. Very informative indeed. For now, however, I have opted for the very basic TCE IR Loader as a way to get "my feet wet" in this bewildering (to me) world of IR. Looking forward to trying it out.

[Marty C]

Originally Posted by jamison162

Why not get the TCE IR Loader and try it out for 30/45 days? You can buy some really good IR packs from WorshipTutorials.com. Only thing you can't do with the TCE I believe is control the mix of original signal and IR, like say with the Baggs VPDI. But the TCE is 1/4 the cost.

On sale at Sweetwater: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...ulse-ir-loader

That’s what I did. I use this with my Taylor ES 2. It’s pretty simple and easy to load new IR files. I use it in the effects loop of my Baggs Venue so I have some EQ. However it does have some EQ available. There is treble and bass, but it is overall and not per IR preset/file. I have used it independently I just prefer a little more EQ for flexibility.

[jonfields45]

I'm back from vacation if anyone needs an IR generated.