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Yes, A $700 mic is wasted money if even one other piece of your hardware or software is poor. An audio chain is only as strong as its weakest link. However ... Even if the Neumann mic is much finer than the rest of your gear today, it's not a waste if you intend to eventually upgrade everything else. In that case you can view the $700 mic as a long term investment. You won't be wasting some money on a lesser mic that you'll sell used when you finally buy your $700 mic, which by then will cost more. Also, some stuff you buy like the audio interface and DAW software and even the computer it runs on have a limited life. Software version compatibility is a ticking time bomb. Software (and hardware the uses software) is only compatible with stuff that's within a few years of each other. Then it's just no longer compatible, and your zillion-dollar formerly-state of the art rig is a collection of paperweights. One reason I've always splurged on high end mics, even back in the 1970s, is they do not turn into useless bricks. Take care of em and fine studio mics will give you decades of excellent results. ... also, IMO transducers (what converts acoustic energy to electrical [mics] or electrical into acoustic [speakers] energy) are the easiest to underspend on, yet the most important to the results. Last edited by Tico; 05-08-2017 at 02:37 PM. |
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Rudy touched on it, but I'll expand:
How are you going to get the sound from that mic (or any mic) recorded? If you're tech savvy and/or have recording experience already, then jump right into computer recording. If not a stand-alone digital recorder can be a good place to start. If you decide to record with a computer you need an audio interface (most are USB these days, but there are Thunderbolt and older Firewire ones out there too). The AI provides phantom power to your mic(s) and does analog-digital conversion. If you decide to go the stand-alone recorder method, make sure the recorder offers phantom power for condensor mics.
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If the answer is no, go buy one of those stand alone little recorder like this one : [URL=https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/638090-REG/Sony_PCM_M10_BLACK_PCM_M10_Portable_Audio_Recorder .html[/URL] (I see it's no longer available, but anyway, you get my drift) Then experiment with the thing, and listen to the results. I mean : listen to the results. Change the place you record in, the distance, discover the effect of reflections, the projection of the instruments, all the different results you can have in just *moving* the recorder against the sound source. That sort of small device is simply the best way to experiment when recording yourself. If the answer is yes, a few things to confuse you a bit more : - is the Neumann a nice mic ? No, it's a great mic. - is the the TLM103 a better mic than the KM 84 ? Yes - is the the KM 184 a better mic than the TLM 103 ? Yes - are there 100$ mics that will give the same result ? Yes - in any recording chain, what is the influence of the mic itself, compared to other factors ? Non-significant - etc... |
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The 184 is a beautiful sounding mic on acoustic. And you'll get more use out of it than just guitar. Wonderful on piano as well. But you will end up needing 2 of them at some point, so be prepared. And then, an equally good or better mic-pre, compressor, audio interface, DAW mixing/mastering software and tools, room acoustics, etc. etc. etc... welcome to the world of pro-audio.
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Spot on!!! I agree with you! I know now I won't take full advantage of a expensive quality mic cause recording is a new field to me, but buying a good mic that I will be happy with is like an investment and most likely I won't need to upgrade it in the short/long term The interface I have is the Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 and I bought also the Logic Pro X software |
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Ok, I realized mics can be even more complex and confusing than buying guitars and amps, haha!
But here it is, I bought the equipment, some will agree or disagree with my decision but I hope this will suit my needs. I bought: - Neumann TLM 102 - Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 interface - Logic Pro X I look forward to hear how my Santa Cruz Vintage Jumbo and my Martin OM-28 record with this Thank you all for your opinions and help |
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Thank you And eventually if I really get into recording I can always add at a later stage a second mic, maybe a pencil like mic or so. Cheers, Leo |
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I use a Rode NTK. I bought it several years ago used off eBay. It's been my recording and acoustic mic since.
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Very true a pair does not necessarily have to be a matched pair. Many producers and recording engineers use an LDC and an SDC on acoustic guitar. That is in fact what I do
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Other mics to consider are 3-Zigma CHI with sdc capsules, Peluso P-84, and Gefell M300. The 3 Zigma and Peluso accommodate swappable capsules.
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I have heard amazing reviews on the Gefell 300!!! |
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Don't second guess you decision, you made a fine choice with the TLM102 and your other choice the KM184 was just as good! Watch this video it should get you going on the right path...
http://www.neumann.com/homestudio/en...one-mic-part-1 |
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