Recording / mixing advice - Page 2

Wrighty · #16 07-02-2018, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rick-slo

Peter, you might post the raw recording. Could be fun for me to play around with that. Wav file preferred. Email attachment if no other way. My ISP email size limit is 25mb.

Here you go - thanks in advance.

rick-slo · #17 07-02-2018, 12:22 PM

Thanks Peter. As time allows I will play with that tonight or sometime within the next couple of days.

Doug Young · #18 07-02-2018, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Wrighty

I guess I am less after that exact sound than the elements of it that appeal to me - the clarity and the way the overtones ring out. Whilst my Avalon is no Greenfield, it does have a lot of overtones and a lovely ringing sustain so I figured I might get some of his elements in mine.

Yeah, that may be partly the guitar, but also as Rick Ruskin points out, Tony's track does have a ton of reverb on it. The reverb is probably what hits you first on that track.

here's a tutorial on izotope's EQ matching (not guitar, unfortunately):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuLpXexvt10

In practice, I don't really use this much, but it's a useful tool for verifying differences in EQ curves, and seeing if what you hear lines up with an analysis. It won't help much with things like lots of reverb vs little, but it can give you info about the overall EQ characteristics.

Wrighty · #19 07-02-2018, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RRuskin

The biggest difference is that your recording is dry and Tony's is dripping with reverb.

I have got Reverb on mine, but was mindful of overdoing it!

Doug Young · #20 07-02-2018, 12:48 PM

I made a very quick mix for you, not trying to match Tony's, just trying to make it sound good (to me), but with more reverb than I'd normally used. PM'd you with the file. I'm sure Rick will be able to do better with more time.

One thing I notice when listening closer is that compared to Tony's, you're tending to cut off some notes. Maybe it's the tune, or your style and it doesn't sound bad, but if the sustain and ringing of Tony's track is what appeals, that may be part of it. I almost always find when I set out to try to sound like someone else's track, that it comes down to how I'm playing far more than anything about the recording technique. Matching someone else's "touch" is harder than matching mic placement or reverb settings...

Wrighty · #21 07-02-2018, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug Young

I made a very quick mix for you, not trying to match Tony's, just trying to make it sound good (to me), but with more reverb than I'd normally used. PM'd you with the file. I'm sure Rick will be able to do better with more time.

One thing I notice when listening closer is that compared to Tony's, you're tending to cut off some notes. Maybe it's the tune, or your style and it doesn't sound bad, but if the sustain and ringing of Tony's track is what appeals, that may be part of it. I almost always find when I set out to try to sound like someone else's track, that it comes down to how I'm playing far more than anything about the recording technique. Matching someone else's "touch" is harder than matching mic placement or reverb settings...

Thanks - I like it very much.

In terms of playing, the shortened notes are where I am not playing cleanly enough - I have not got this piece properly under my fingers yet but wanted to start to play with the tone I wanted when recording.

I like the ringing tones, so need to be more precise in my playing to flow and also to allow the open ringing...

It’s quite a tough piece I found in this regard.

TBman · #22 07-02-2018, 07:02 PM

I find the eq matching interesting, but finding a vst that works for Audacity is tough.

rick-slo · #23 07-02-2018, 09:52 PM

A little tweaking of raw file here:
http://dcoombsguitar.com/Temp/WrightyAGF.mp3

Wrighty · #24 07-03-2018, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by rick-slo

A little tweaking of raw file here:

http://dcoombsguitar.com/Temp/WrightyAGF.mp3

Thanks very much Derek, it sounds good to my ears.

Could you please give me some insight into what it is that you did to it?

rick-slo · #25 07-03-2018, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Wrighty

Thanks very much Derek, it sounds good to my ears.

Could you please give me some insight into what it is that you did to it?

Tried to more or less get a noticeable reverb (ala Tony's recording). Sounds better somewhat drier though IMO.

Volume balanced R and L (just a couple of decibels).
High pass filter centered around about forty hertz.
A little boost on frequencies above about five kilohertz
(which I don't normally do but you mentioned something
about high end clarity - not sure it helped)
Reverb via Seventh Heaven (again more than I would use in my music).

Wrighty · #26 07-03-2018, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by rick-slo

Tried to more or less get a noticeable reverb (ala Tony's recording). Sounds better somewhat drier though IMO.

Volume balanced R and L (just a couple of decibels).

High pass filter centered around about forty hertz.

A little boost on frequencies above about five kilohertz

(which I don't normally do but you mentioned something

about high end clarity - not sure it helped)

Reverb via Seventh Heaven (again more than I would use in my music).

Thanks Derek, much appreciated.

Wrighty · #27 07-03-2018, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Trevor B.

The following extracted quote is from Michael Greenfield himself about videos made in his shop.
"The Bench Room Series of videos are recorded by Tom MacDonald of Flicomedia. The guitar was recorded mono by a single 184."
I assume (I know the old saying about assume making an *** of u and me) he means a Neumann KM 184. It looks like the same mic from the source of this quote as the one in the Tony McManus Sleeping Tune video. Here's a link to the quote.
https://cs-tv.org/tv/poetic-justice-naO2u3ZSJ5U.html
Hope this info adds to the conversation.

Thanks Trevor, that’s good to know..

Trevor B. · #28 07-03-2018, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Wrighty

Thanks Trevor, that’s good to know..

You're welcome, Peter. I'd like to take a bit of liberty here and say that your Avalon guitar sounds like a fine instrument to me. I'm convinced it will get you where you want to go recording wise.
Thanks for sharing your efforts.

Wrighty · #29 07-04-2018, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Trevor B.

You're welcome, Peter. I'd like to take a bit of liberty here and say that your Avalon guitar sounds like a fine instrument to me. I'm convinced it will get you where you want to go recording wise.
Thanks for sharing your efforts.

Thanks Trevor, it is a lovely guitar and I’m lucky to have it.