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I Am Discouraged
I posted a song on another forum, and someone posted that they did not care for my voice, which is kindof discouraging. I think 99.9% of people would "NOT" tell you that your voice was not good, and maybe i just found the 0.1% that "WOULD" tell someone that their voice was not good...
I never thought my voice was good to begin with, so it ain't like i'm gonna loose any sleep over it, but i really love to write and sing songs. I'm probably just feeling sorry for myself, but there are so many people with great voices that don't even have a passion for music like i do, and it JUST AIN'T FAIR!!!... I guess God has a sense of humor... OK... I feel a little better now, and maybe i just needed to vent a little... |
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They say the samething about Bob Dylan & Willie Nelson & Johnny Cash etc.....
Just let it go and enjoy what you do......
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Bob, take heart in this...
Regardless of how good someone sings, there will be some people who just "don't care for it." On the other hand, there are some singers with less-than-perfect voices making wonderful music. Don't let it get you down. If you share your music (which is always a good idea!) you're going to find that there are plenty of people who don't like it. Don't sweat it. Those aren't the people you're making the music for. |
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Bob, I think your voice is quite easy on the ears and pleasant, so how is that for encouragement?
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I exchanged some CDs and some emails with Jim Tozier some time back. Seems like I lamented that I couldn't play like he or Phil Keaggy could. Ya know what he helped me to understand? I may not be able to do some things as well as others can, but there is no one in the world better at being Mark Fisher than me! So, I do what I do, and I try to enjoy it along the way. It is easy for artists to get caught up in the criticism instead of the art. Enjoy what you do, try to improve, and embrace the journey. Shoot, even embrace the criticism, remembering that there is absolutely no way to please everyone. Besides, some criticism can be constructive, helping us to strive for an elevated performance. But DON'T dwell on the negative. Life is too short to let someone steal your joy just because you don't sing like they think you should.
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Bob,
"Everybody doesn't like something," as the Sara Lee jingle goes. Even the best singer will always find a listener who doesn't care for his or her voice. Then there are the people in a song circle or on a forum who feel they aren't pulling their weight if they don't offer some sort of critique--they are so insecure that they are afraid others might think they're asleep at the switch. You can't please everyone all of the time, so just keep on doing. You need to ask yourself why you are posting where you are posting. Are you looking for true instructional evaluation, or are you just proud of what you've done and want to share it with your peers and/or get reinforcement? Or are you looking for a review you can use if it's favorable? It would be a good idea to lurk for awhile to see the general tone the forum membership takes towards submitted songs, and thus know what you may be in for on the receiving end. When my first CD came out, I got a string of glowing reviews from writers who zeroed in on the album's strengths and either ignored its shortcomings or carefully separated one from the other (to facilitate quoting from the reviews). As a newbie trying to build a press kit, I submitted to as many reviewers as I could without stopping to consider what types of music--and caliber of artists--they were used to evaluating. Well, I made the mistake of submitting to an online alt-country/Americana publication that I had no idea also reviewed major label releases, and the reviewer basically tore me a new one--saying my voice lacked the edge necessary to be competitive in a major commercial market (I was so hurt and discouraged I missed the language about my being a "fine songwriter"). Another reviewer kindly responded via e-mail rather than printing a review, saying the songs were great, but my vocals sounded hurried, as if I had a gun to my head. Both reviewers were spot-on: this was before I resumed voice lessons after a 16-year hiatus and discovered I was suffering from a bowed vocal fold; and we could only book the studio in 12-hr. blocks when my producer and engineer's schedules meshed, plus those blocks were costing me a relative fortune so I felt it was "now or never," rather than insisting on stopping when I felt my voice was beginning to tire. Well, I was crushed, and went through a couple of weeks of crying and vowing never to perform again, and considered offering my remaining CD inventory as skeet for the local gun club. Then friends began to call and ask why I wasn't showing up at song circles and open mics, and I got a spate of sales on CDBaby.com. No, it isn't fair. This business is not fair. There are those of us who sing our hearts out, perfect our craft, get great reviews, beat our brains out promoting, and can't draw flies; while there are truly AWFUL performers and writers with lots of adoring friends/classmates, co-workers (in one case, subordinates) and family in town who flock to see their relatively infrequent shows, thus giving club owners lots of hard-drinking "butts in the seats" and getting higher-profile bookings and generating buzz. C'est la vie. Consider why you are doing this--if it's purely for the love of music, the passion to create and the desire to share it, keep on doing it! If it's for validation, then analyze your feedback and do what you need to do to improve. I suspect that it's the former, so let the criticism roll off your back and keep on making the music you love!
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Your voice is fine. Pitch: Good Tone: Good Tremolo: Good . |
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Robert, seriously now !
Just be glad it happened sooner than later. You can not expect that everybody will like your voice or music. Everybody has right to feel that way. You will also find people that compliment to your face and talk negatively behind your back. Brush it off, get used to it and believe in your talents. Don't talk down on yourself, it's destructive. You're still my favorite FM voice.
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Here's my two cents (I can't find a link to you singing so I can't tell you my own personal thoughts but I DO love your speaking voice in the clip I heard). If this guy said he didn't like your voice then he most likely DOES but is saying this because it brought up some kind of bile in him about his OWN voice. Now if the guy said something like "I like X about your voice however you need to watch Y and Z", then that might fall under the category of constructive criticism. I've learned over the years that criticism for criticism's sake is usually based on the criticiser's own insecurities rather then any truth. We are all our own worst critics and there are those who just love to exploit this fact to boost their own self-worth. I take people seriously only when they tell me something like "you fell off that note" because most likely I did as I ran out of air. I suggest you ignore the idiot - he's probably looking for a fight.
I personally love Jewel and Lyle Lovett. Both their voices strike emotional chords in me. Damien Rice as well. I have heard some people say Jewel's voice makes them feel as if they are hearing nails on a chalkboard but that same person might love the Black Eyed Peas, who sound to me as if they are simply making noise. Nanci Griffith is another one. I love her, others think she squeaks. At any rate, we love you here so why go there? Linda |
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Bingo!!!
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OK, Bob, I just found the link to the poem of your sister's turned into a song. This guy didn't like your voice? You're kidding, right?????? I heard this before I knew it was you (well, before I put two and two together) and thought -- ohmiGosh, how am I gonna post my piddly little thing now?? You blew me away. I've always loved male country vocalists because they have TALENT, they are not just making noise like some rockers are. Your voice has that kind of clarity to me, that richness. I'm now even more convinced I was right, that guy heard you, felt trivialized, and then struck out. What a complete dork he must be!
Can you tell I'm not a terribly subtle person??? L. |
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Someone named their band after a restaurant? . |
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Jealousy causes people to say things like that. You have an excellent voice and btw you are better than Dylan and Cash.
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Just listened. You sound a bit like the late great Roger Miller, and he had an okay career . Absolutely NOTHING wrong with your voice. The guy who ragged on you most likely hates male country singers--or as Linda says is probably jealous because he doesn't have that authenticity in his voice.
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