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Back to tennis ....In order to play a match, you have to have fundamentals, but not understand the history of tennis (think music theory here). Without fundamentals, one either wins or losses, but may be crimped down the line because they did not know enough of the fundamentals to work themselves back out of a 5-2 situation. Or, they did not know enough to understand their opponent moved them cross court most of the time and they got tired. Your point is a good one - you have to play matches to learn. But, if you spend too much time playing matches or focus on them too early in development, you do not become proficient. It does not happen....That is why you see so many people picking up tennis balls outside of the fence. Anyway, I am not trying to do battle with anyone. Just trying to nail down an understanding for myself and in this short exchange with folks, might be coming to a sort of conclusion on my own. Lastly, your idea about an on-line instructor is a great one. I will check that out!
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Kh1967 -
Great thoughts and responses......great thread. Something i don't believe i have seen in the thread, and which to me illustrates how flawed.....or at least inappropriate......the tennis analogy is, is.......where do you want to go with it? In learning a competitive sport, the need to practice fundamentals and learn the basics are obviously important things, toward making you the best possible player, the strongest possible competitor. You just want to be as good as you can be, compared to all other players, right? Whether it's Varsity, JV, Grand Slam champ, touring pro, club teaching pro, or weekend hacker, you just want to be able to play as best you can, so you hone and develop your playing strengths and work to improve your weaknesses. Is that what.......is that all.......you want, from learning guitar? Something as abstract as just wanting "to be the best player you can be"? While i agree with others in commending your attitude toward comprehensive learning, i think we need to know - and you need to know - what you want to get out of this. Do you want to impress girls/guys? Play in church? Do open mics? Teach guitar? Start a band? Become a Youtube sensation? Learn how to play every Dylan song? Learn how to play every scale? Get a local/regional/national/worldwide rep as an axmaster extraordinaire? Noodle on the back porch? Write your own pieces? Record? Sit on the couch and while away the time, knowing there's no place you'd rather be? Become a session player? Join me in trying out for America's Geezers Got Talent, when/if they finally get around to making that show? What gives you the most joy and fulfillment, or what would give you the biggest sense of accomplishment, and what are some of the steps necessary to get there? I just think you've got to have, and express, a better idea of where you want to go before you get bogged down in asking for directions. I hope that makes sense and is of some use....and that i haven't grossly misunderstood the gist of the thread to this point. Cheers, -js |
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KH1967,
I played college golf and was a golf professional for 10 years. I know exactly what you are talking about. When I first started learing I learned a few chords and a couple of Jimmy Buffett songs, but that just wasn't enough for me. I wanted to know what made a chord a chord, what notes were in it, what do those little squiggly things (notes) on those pieces of paper mean? Because of this I started using some of the method books and learing the fretboard and learning how to read music. Then I started reading about music theory in general. I find I have just as much fun playing scales and doing chord pregression exercises as I do learning a new song. I liken this to hitting range balls on the range. I feel I am getting some real work done and the results will come. I don't know if this answers any question you have but I just thought I could relate. Its all fun. |
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In addition to the many different playing techniques that are prominent in various music genres, there are some differences to playing electric vs acoustic. So, "right" for acoustic might not be right for electric and visa-verse. For example, when playing electric (especially with distortion and sustain enhancing effects) you will need to master palm muting to keep free strings from sounding...on acoustic, not so much. Again, it is simply a matter of your music interests and guitar playing goals.
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How?
Lots of good advice in this forum...
I like to take the phrase "playing" literally. I have spent little time "working" the guitar. I have copied leads from my favorites and developed a "dictionary" to refer to during a jam. Once you figure out how to fit (transpose) them into the key of a jam, you can have some fun. I have been doing this for 36 years. Keep in mind that I also believe that your sound will be at least 51% of the equation. Imagine if Jimmy Page decided to do the "Stairway" lead with a banjo! |
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This should be a new scientific theory, like those ones about quantum theory and multiple parallel universes: Anything that can happen, will happen (ie in one of those other universes) Any human activity that can be possibly imagined, someone has already done it on youtube. |
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Kh1967, thanks for posting. I am 41, and also using L&M and Justin. I am also a believer in "fundamentals" and often when learning something new get bogged down in how to go about it the "right way". In fact I often get so bogged down and discouraged in what is right that I never see the forest for the trees and give up. What I am trying to remember, as I am slowly learning guitar (and did I mention piano at the same time ?) is that hopefully I have a long time to figure out what makes up everything I need, and want, to know and a long time to do it. That as long as I am making some progress I can fill in the blanks as they become apparant.
For me, my end goal is to know the instrument, what makes up the sounds, how they fit together, and to sit on my back porch feeling music and accomplishment. If it takes 5 or 55 years to get there that works for me, the fact that there will always be more to learn will help keep my motivation strong. Best of luck in your journey!
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