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01-29-2011, 05:26 AM
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Rollie, that is the 12 string...the 6 is in the background.
I got an idea for 12 string tuners as most of them are pretty bad unless you just gang 6 Grovers together. Six on a plate are limited to the $300+ Henkes or 1K Alissis, or the only fair Stew-Mac Vintage. Here are some photos of my new Grover 12 string 6 on 2 plate tuners... I bought 2 sets of Grover mandolin F5 tuners and 2 sets of Stay-Tites. I cut the plates as shown, stripped the Stay-Tites of the sting posts, worms and gears and replaced the metal tuner buttons with Stew-Mac buttons. Result is the finest 18/1 12 string tuners you can get for a total of $160.  Tuners compared to the Stew-Mac Vintage.  Here is the rosette for the 12 string... 
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01-29-2011, 10:22 AM
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Thank you for sharing your work with us. Your homebrew 12 string tuners are really cool! There is something about your guitars and style that really inspires me to build. The other amazing makers on the forum inspire me a great deal as well, but you make me want to go into the shop and make some sawdust.
I love AGF, but if I could change one thing it would be more 12 string build threads!! So thank you for this as well! I'm starting a new build in my workshop this morning and I will be attempting to build 2 x 12 strings (one for me and one for a friend) and one 6 string before the birth of our first child in July! please keep the amazing guitars coming! Nate
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01-31-2011, 04:34 AM
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Thanks guys!
Nate, I put a hold on building another 12 because of my elbow/wrist/thumb problems, but the very short scale seems to have solved the problems. Rollie, if you are ever up my way, do drop by... Here's the 12 ready to button up.  
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01-31-2011, 03:03 PM
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Hello Hans,
I would be really interested in playing one of your short scale 12s, though I'm not sure when it would be possible. Do you plan on stringing it with medium gauge strings? I spent yesterday thicknessing the plates for the three guitars that I'm working on... I use a couple different hand planes and then scrapers. Today my hands are pretty sore. I'm a fairly young person (34) and hope to have many, many years of playing and building in my future so I think it is finally time to either buy a thickness sander or rent some shop time at a local woodworking co-op. Again, beautiful guitars. Thanks, Nate
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02-01-2011, 04:15 AM
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[QUOTE=Haans;2475612]OK, quercus alba...that better?
 i mean "oak" as "it must be a hard work to work with oak wood"...isn't it much harder wood than anything else for guitar buliding?
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02-01-2011, 05:07 AM
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Not at all Ivob, white oak is one of the best woods to work, except for pore filling. It bends easily, sands well, and machines nicely without all the oils and resins to clog up sanding belts. There are many harder woods than oak such as ebony, rosewood, sugar maple and African blackwood is very hard.
Nate, I plan on using much heavier strings than mediums...with a short scale like this, you have to use heavy strings to compensate for the rubbery feel of lighter strings. It's also how you can get the action very low. The guages on the 6 string are .058-.015, and it plays easily. Feels just about like medium lights on a 25.34" scale. An added plus is that you get a fatter tone with heavier strings. I'd say if you want to avoid problems in your later years, do get a sander. Also consider the opposing force your thumb deals with in picking anything up. It competes with 4 fingers! Anytime you can pick up something heavy with both hands, do it.
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