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I see tabs as a last resort...almost a necessary evil. I do appreciate the effort it takes to create a tab, but I would much rather watch a video that shows the players fingers making the chords.
In terms of memorization, I can remember some songs I played in my twenties much better than songs I learned recently (50 years later).
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Tabs are tougher to memorize than sheet music, because you can't see the music "rise and fall" as clearly.
Take it in small chunks, and keep in mind the principle of letting things stew...do a part every day for 4-5 days, let it start to get pushed toward long term memory. You might be surprised if you practice something every day for a week straight, then take 2 days off, and see what happens. |
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I usually take a new songs in sections. Repeat listening is key for me through out.
I will learn a section, so I don't need the tab to preform it. Then I go to the next section, etc... then stitch them together It takes a lot of repetition but Muscle Memory WILL take over. I have learned a # of alt. tuning pieces.. some of them I wont play for some time. I'll need to listen and use the tab/score as reference, but once I get it refreshed, my hands eventually lean on muscle memory, and I can refresh a complex piece I've not played in a year or more, in a matter of a few hours.
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I tend to use tabs to learn a new piece and find that I gradually remember more and look less at the tabs as time progresses. I often have to make a conscious effort at the end to wean myself off the tab completely for a few reasons. Firstly I play much better when I know the piece and don’t need to focus on music or tabs, but instead on phrasing and tone. Secondly I like to practice in different locations and it’s far easier without dragging music and a stand around. If I don’t keep a piece current with daily play, I forget it until I refresh using the tab again. I have certainly learnt pieces up to 5 mins long using this method.
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Eyesore--I have the same problem. I can't figure out finger style by ear, and I don't do well with video, so I'm tab dependent. The only way I've found to cure it is to stop looking at the tab ASAP, as soon as I have a feel for how it goes and can play it at a slow tempo.
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I think that pretty much sums up what a lot of folks have already said in this thread.
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yes these are all really good ideas.. but for some reason i'm having trouble with a few tunes that i want to learn .other tunes just come natural.why? who knows.. i know ;take the tab away asap! and listen more makes the most sense.
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For those who learn by listening, how do you recall the song years later?
1) tab it out and refer to the tabs if you forget all or part of it? 2) video a close-up of you playing it and refer to the video in the future? 3) figuring it out by again, by listening? 4) play it regularly (once every few days/week/month) so you don't ever forget it? 5) None of the above / Other?
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Stuff learned by tab is completely different and unless I go over it many times for a period of a few weeks it's easily forgotten, but then the tab stuff I learn tends not to be particullarly melodic, Stefan Grossmans ragtime arrangements and I have forgotten how many times I have had to re learn Davy Graham's Anjie, this kind of music tends not to have a strong melody line but is more depedent on chords and intervals and bass lines, the arrangement is the music but that is not so for singable tunes . If I do forget a tune I play along with a recording of it and it comes back pretty soon. |
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There is a certain tyranny with tabs. I have lost count of the number of people I have seen who struggle so hard to follow a tab that the music has no real soul or attraction.
A tab is a start and a way of understanding some of the techniques that the player is using. Don't worry too much about complexity. So long as it sounds really nice it doesn't matter how closely you have followed the tab.
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This is the only notation/tab that I use. If something I want to play just has tab, I'll punch it into GuitarPro so I have notation and tab. The tab merely has the fret position and doesn't attempt to imply duration, etc.
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Music theory can bridge some gaps that explain what is going on, contextually, but in itself it isn't everything. In the simple case of a TAB, you might spot how a certain part comes from a certain scale, or even subdivision, like a 3 notes per string concept, and if you know that scale, then it becomes easier to "see" what is going on. I think having some context, makes things less abstract, and your brain files/stores the information differently. Last edited by Kerbie; 06-11-2021 at 11:53 AM. Reason: Edited. |
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What I would say to the OP is: don’t memorize songs, learn them. The difference matters. Learning a piece of music means really grokking its internal logic and “story arc”, so that the details are stored in your mind not as separate bits of information occurring in succession, but as parts of an organic, fully understood whole. If this is difficult, practice—i.e., spend a lot of time learning things by ear. This is a cognitive muscle, and it can be strengthened. The lack of resources like tab sites was arguably a good thing for developing musicians back in the 70s and 80s. We learned by listening because we had no choice — and it was great for our musical brains. (Of course it also meant we got a lot of lyrics wrong!)
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