Sleeping while driving a Tesla

[imwjl]

Originally Posted by rokdog49

Can’t say what I want...forum rules.
I can say this...utopia isn’t achievable. For every technological step forward, a heavy price will be paid.
That is a fact.

I might not understand that unless you mean you just want to say something now allowed.

The part I don't understand is we (homo sapiens) have had great benefits from most technological benefits. I mean most, or overall. It's also been obvious from this car technology. That most new cars now and all in less than a year have or will have AEB should say plenty.

I'm totally with you if you just mean a few fools and not everyone. I'm totally with you if you mean there are negative externalities with lots of advances, but who among us wants to go back to being hunter gatherers? We might have a lot of new problems if our current population size lived that way.

We bought a car in June. We did a lot of research and testing. Sure the Model Y had the most features, and Subaru upped their technology in another generation but most all the cars with $28,000 - $53,000 out the door prices had robots whether or not you want them. A few makers have been shipping that in volume since around 2012. The way people eat up emotive news and we have little of it with the cars has me thinking there's little controversy.

[hairpuller]

Originally Posted by Tico

Break a law, go to jail.

Boy, I wish that were true!
scott

[Neil K Walk]

Originally Posted by hairpuller

Boy, I wish that were true!
scott

Yeah - it's not always so. I doubt that Tesla could even fit in a jail cell either.

[RedJoker]

Originally Posted by Tico

Break a law, go to jail.

Uh, oh....

I cut the tag off my mattress!

[Mooh]

Around 1979, age 21, when I got my '74 Volvo I proclaimed that it practically drove itself. Little did I know.

As for today's self driving cars, no can do. I want "my eyes on the road and my hands upon the wheel", to quote a good old blues song, and my foot on the pedals, etc.

It's not that I'm old and don't like change, it's that I'm old and don't like that change.

As for the OP's example. The driver is at fault and there ought to be a law that throws books at perpetrators...maybe a dumpster load dropped on them.

[mc1]

I'm just surprised an automated speeding ticket wasn't issued.

[imwjl]

Originally Posted by Mooh

Around 1979, age 21, when I got my '74 Volvo I proclaimed that it practically drove itself. Little did I know.

As for today's self driving cars, no can do. I want "my eyes on the road and my hands upon the wheel", to quote a good old blues song, and my foot on the pedals, etc.

It's not that I'm old and don't like change, it's that I'm old and don't like that change.

As for the OP's example. The driver is at fault and there ought to be a law that throws books at perpetrators...maybe a dumpster load dropped on them.

We were discussing the differences with our cars last night. The funny thing about your saying "I'm old and don't like that change." is one of our kids loves our manual transmission but thoroughly modern car. He and my wife turn off the lane assist yet my wife is the one who worries and insisted on the car that has the most robots helping. She rarely drives it.

In their defense (wife, son) the Subaru EyeSight doesn't steer the car but it sure is good at shouting at you or a fast effort to stop or drop your speed by I think 20 MPH if you're going faster.

My boss and a friend have commented on Tesla software updates as they apply to particular spots on the roads. They've both said their cars have become better about not trying when they're unsure.

For the VW, my wife and son hate the way the steering wheel will get a tug in a false positive or not getting it right. It probably bothers me less via more time in that car and for tugs, I once drove Macks and Freightliners that had no power steering. A front tire blowout in a 1963 Mack truck when I was probably 18 years old was a forever lesson in steering - mostly in my not wrapping a thumb and not letting go of the wheel.

[robj144]

Originally Posted by rokdog49

Can’t say what I want...forum rules.
I can say this...utopia isn’t achievable. For every technological step forward, a heavy price will be paid.
That is a fact.

Look at the air bags in your car, ABS brakes, better fuel economy for almost every car, cleaner air, safety warnings, etc... How do these technologies bring us a step backwards?

[HodgdonExtreme]

A computer can do the job better than a human being IF the control system is programmed well, and IF all of the inputs/outputs into that control system are operating correctly.

Those are two really big "ifs"; for example the Boeing 737 Max issue stems from issues with both of these two fundamentals...which is tragic, but non hard to envision when you stop to consider the complexity of the whole arrangement. People make mistakes.

There is HUGE legal risk in advertising an autopilot feature as being able to have full autonomous control of the machine.

No car company is going to make such claim until there are laws protecting them from that liability.

[RedJoker]

Originally Posted by HodgdonExtreme

There is HUGE legal risk in advertising an autopilot feature as being able to have full autonomous control of the machine.

No car company is going to make such claim until there are laws protecting them from that liability.

It's interesting to me that Telsa is even offering their own insurance: https://www.tesla.com/insurance

[Pura Vida]

The evolution of safety, environmental, and technology in vehicles is amazing to me. My first cars had minimal safety features (lap belt with shoulder harness) and prone to mechanical failures. They didn't run very clean, and my second car got a dismal 8mpg (thankfully gas was cheap and plentiful).

Flash forward, and I just traded in for a 2017 SUV, which gets great mileage for its size and filled with safety features. It manages my music, phone calls, navigation in a mostly hands-free manner, and it can monitor everything from approaching traffic, lane departure, blind spots, and even cross-traffic when backing up.

As someone who experienced lasting injuries from a head-on collision, I embrace these new advances. If I had the same car in 1997 that I had today, I probably would have walked away from my accident, rather than needing jaws of life and a broken femur.

[rokdog49]

Originally Posted by robj144

Look at the air bags in your car, ABS brakes, better fuel economy for almost every car, cleaner air, safety warnings, etc... How do these technologies bring us a step backwards?

Because a lot people believe all these techno improvements will allow them to do foolish things...and so they do them. Relying on technology too much is the slippery slope.
Anyway, just to clarify, my post was more of a generalization. If you think about it most technological advancements come with a price and in some instances, we were better off without them, way better off.
Modern medicine has allowed us to prolong life, but more often than not the quality of that life is awful.
Ask my 86 year old father-in-law who has a pacemaker and takes over 20 pills a day to live, while he suffers in a nursing home, unable to do anything except exist. I’m not suggesting that lives aren’t saved every day. There is a price though and in his case I wouldn’t call technology a step forward.

[hubcapsc]

Because a lot people believe all these techno improvements will allow them to do foolish things...and so they do them.

Wait till tailgaters get the idea they're safe from rear-ending you
because they have AEB and whatever other collision avoidance
systems...

-Mike

[frankmcr]

"Now, this may not handle like you're used to . . . "

"Are you kidding? I could drive one of these in my sleep!"

[Neil K Walk]

Originally Posted by mc1

I'm just surprised an automated speeding ticket wasn't issued.

Does Tesla have its own version of OnStar that could be contacted to remotely disable the car?