#31
|
|||
|
|||
Perfect. Made my day.
|
#32
|
|||
|
|||
a thought
Just one more bean-counting cipher.
|
#33
|
|||
|
|||
Surprised by the criticism
I'm surprised that the majority of posters have reacted to this article, or informational promo, with cynicism and criticism of Martin. Martin & Co has proven for generations that it consistently makes some of the best acoustic guitars, if not the best, in the world. Martin guitars, for generations, have contributed to an incredible amount of the best-written, created, and produced music our world has been lucky enough to hear. It's a fantastic American company which I am very proud of. Because the company is made up of human beings, it is flawed and has screwed up many times. But good lord, I support the direction it's moving in and celebrate it. Let's hope Martin continues to manufacture guitars whose sound is uniquely and unutterably fabulous.
|
#34
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
What's so surprising about that? |
#35
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
Nothing prepared me for when I put the hammer down on my first test pass in a dragster - and merely having done so doesn't qualify me for either a driver or crew chief position on an NHRA Top Fuel team... Hobbies are cool but whether cars or guitars, I have a healthy respect for the real professionals who can compete successfully long-term in either arena... Quote:
Nice enough guy in person, but the whole crapstorm that ultimately resulted in the present state of affairs in Nazareth - binding issues, twisted necks, incorrect necksets, bad finishes, excessively thin body woods, et al. (all expounded ad infinitum/ad nauseam here on the General subforum) gradually unfolded over several decades on his sole watch, which leads me to: Quote:
I'm thinking that if you can afford (or beg/borrow/steal the funds to afford) one of the Authentics, now may be your last chance to grab the genuine article before they too go the way of Brooklyn Gretsches, New York Epiphones/D'Angelicos, Boston Strombergs, and the like: other than a very limited-output Custom Shop (which will most likely charge prices usually associated with AAA-list individual luthiers), if things continue the way they're going right now the bicentennial-commemorative Martin[s] they'll be introducing at Winter NAMM 2033 will almost certainly be of Mexican and/or Chinese origin...
__________________
"Mistaking silence for weakness and contempt for fear is the final, fatal error of a fool" - Sicilian proverb (paraphrased) |
#36
|
|||
|
|||
It's cool they're trying something new. Or at least new for them, since skeletal bracing (Ryan), relief routes (Taylor), and fully sustainable sourcing (Breedlove) have been done by many others.
But Martin needs to get its own house in order first. None of its competitors seem to be having the same quality control issues, and most of them innovate at a faster clip than Martin too. The old silicon valley adage is "go fast and break things". But Martin seems to be doing "break things, then try to go fast". |
#37
|
|||
|
|||
Nothing surprises me about that. I know many don't care for Martins for a variety of reasons, but that has nothing to do with my point. My point was that it surprised me that so many in this thread were critical, dismissive, and cynical about a company that is so successful and that, in general, produces, and has produced, some of the world's greatest instruments. It strikes me that you gotta respect that even if you don't like Martins, or have problems with the company. I don't care for Taylor guitars, e.g., but I respect what the company has accomplished. I think the overwhelming majority of guitarists respect Martin so it's weird that this thread attracted so much hostility.
|
#38
|
|||
|
|||
a thought
'Martin' is NOT a synonym for 'guitar' and is not a standard for judging other factories' products, no matter what their worshippers profess.
|
#39
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
|
#40
|
||||
|
||||
I believe a new direction is good for any well known maker IF the product is high quality, and IF it remains a feasible choice for prospective buyers, price wise.
$4k? They will sell some, sure, to the most loyal, but of all the $4k guitars out there, why this one? I don’t see the appeal, but that’s just me. Martin QC issues are nothing new. I turned off from them more than a decade ago because of friends who had major problems with newer guitars. This happened to several, yes several friends and acquaintances over the past 15 or so years. Binding was the major issue. Surprise…But not the only issue. Martin could solve their issues with a few tweaks, but first, they must admit (to themselves) they have some issues that need tweaking. I have played Martins that were truly great guitars. I have come extremely close to purchasing newer Martins as well as vintage. I just see them as high maintenance tools, and I don’t want my tools to be high maintenance. I can have high quality tools that require very little maintenance. Never mind the name on the headstock. Domestic, sustainable wood sources have been proven to be a winner by both Gibson and Taylor for years. They are widely accepted. No reason Martin can’t join the party. |
#41
|
|||
|
|||
Just a glorified cash grab, trying to make as much margin from left over wood as possible.
|
#42
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
It's obviously less visible than something external like binding, I only became aware of it when I picked up my G45, got curious about the alignment hole, did some searching and found threads on the Gibson forum. But it is an example of a similar recurring, unresolved production issue.
__________________
Gibson G45 Standard 2020 Eastman E1OM 2021 Cedar/Rosewood Parlour 2003 (an early build by my luthier brother) Also double bass, electric bass, cittern, mandolin... |
#43
|
|||
|
|||
Follow the money.
|
#44
|
|||
|
|||
I don't care about them anymore... I'm done with them. Their lack of admitting culpability is tantamount to being a company headed by liars.
__________________
1990 Martin D16-M Gibson J45 Eastman E8D-TC Pono 0000-30DC Yamaha FSX5, LS16, FG830, FSX700SC Epiphone EF500-RAN 2001 Gibson '58 Reissue LP 2005, 2007 Gibson '60 Reissue LP Special (Red&TV Yel) 1972 Yamaha SG1500, 1978 LP500 Tele's and Strats 1969,1978 Princeton Reverb 1972 Deluxe Reverb Epiphone Sheraton, Riviera DeArmond T400 Ibanez AS73 Quilter Superblock US[/I] |
#45
|
|||
|
|||
You gonna sell that D-16 then?
|