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And add John Walker too. The closest I’ve heard to a pre war guitar sound is my (maybe any) Martin D 28 Authentic with VTS top. Loud and rowdy. I am sure there are others. I’ve played ( not owned unfortunately) a few pre war Martins and one Gibson, (looked like a beat up J45.). Like all guitars, they have there own sound. The 1924 Martin, something like a D 18, I am not sure of the model, I played at Rudy’s in NYC had a sound I had never heard of before or since. At $2700O, ten years ago, I didn’t buy it.
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One thing I do know is that the Pre*War guitars sound nothing like Collings...not even close. |
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For pre-war Martins, I would say Blazer and Henkes and Laurent Brondel do a fantastic job. Circa, too.
Bear in mind, pre-war Martin encompasses a WHOLE lotta sound. I’ve had a chance to play many, many pre-war Martins. And, in one case, two 1930 OMs side by side. Very different guitars. The B&H OM-28 I played last year is a dead ringer for OMs I’ve played in the shop at Schoenberg. http://om28.com/ProductDetail?product=P191106001 My Brondel OM-42 as well. Circa is a little more of an evolved form of that sound, as Bob Berger put it. More power and headroom with a little less bass. Slightly different sound. I’ve played a bunch from various other guys, but those are the ones that have come the closest to catching the overall vibe.
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And Collings do not sound like 50s or 60s Martins but they both lean to being punchy in the mids and highs as are Pre War. So on an EQ basis they are all similar to my ear. To my ear PreWar does a great job imitating preVietnam-era of Martin. Sorry if I made you misunderstand.
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I'm just going off my own experience with owning and playing quite a few Collings. Now, I've only played two Pre*War guitars, one being the one in my sig, so I don't have a ton of reference. However, the ones I've played have been extremely warm, full, and woody. Those adjectives wouldn't normally be in use when describing my Collings guitars experiences. Don't have enough experience with preVietnam Martins to comment. Thanks! scott |
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I'm not at all the best (at anything really) but I have been making pre-war designed OM's lately. I'm using BRW and Torrified Red Spruce. I have a vintage collector client who is very happy, so there's that.
So it seems if you want to get close to an 80 year old guitar using the designs of course is important, the wood, and the torrified tops helps. THose old guitars were very lightly built too. Sides are down to .075 inches. All hot hide glue construction and so on. So same materials, same designs, same well aged wood, torrified top is about as close as you can get. IDK if anyone mentioned it but I think Wayne Henderson has a reputation for that classic sound. |
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I just wonder how many would be able to tell the difference between new guitars and pre-war guitars if they were sitting in a room with a divider in the middle and they didn’t know what guitars they were listening to on the other side of that divider! I bet we’d all be surprised at the new guitars that would smoke the old guitars, IF we purely went off the sound in a room versus knowing what the year, make, model and tone woods were involved. There’s a documentary about old versus new violins and in the blind test with multiple listeners, several new violins were picked over the PRICELESS(because of their name and age) old violins.
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