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I think there's a lot of sense made in the video. Towards the end "Roxanne" was listed as an example. If anyone thinks that song could have been improved with quantization I'd say there's something seriously wrong with their sense of musicality.
It's amusing to watch this video as it reminds me of a topic here on this forum where I suggested that recording music to a click track might not be the best idea. I got beat up pretty bad for the idea. I could go back and find the topic, but those who contributed to the pummeling know who they are. |
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He makes one point about a technique that has been used for years before digital audio: copying and pasting parts around. Even back in the analog days, they could get one good take of a section (say, the chorus) and the "fly it in" to repeat it in another spot. Digital just makes it easier.
You don't have to quantize to copy/paste digitally, either. I do it all the time. So I'm not sure that part of his argument holds. |
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First off recording to a click is not the same thing as Quantizing hard to the grid . In point of fact recording to click is going to have subtle variations in timing .. Which is why when hard quantizing ( which I agree unless you are doing EDM is not a great idea) is even done to tracks recorded with a click... No pummeling, simply pointing out the difference or inconsistency (much like what happend in the other thread BTW )
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Right, but he also goes on about how you can then just cut/paste/move things around to make songs without actually playing anything. Not really part of his argument against quantizing and auto-tune, but also not unique to modern digital recordings.
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in a studio and as a result why it has become more possible and prevalent for studio musicians to record their parts separately, not together as a group.
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YES: each cut and paste for that section ( or duplicate) the "starting point of that selection " for that section CAN be snapped to the grid. However NO: that does not automatically mean that the start of music in that selection is snapped to grid , it can still be in front of or behind the beat . And even if the start of the music is in fact snapped to the grid/beat that does not mean that the rest of the music in that section is "quantized ". If there are timing anomalies in that section they are not "quantized" to the grid/beat ,,,, they are simply duplicated with whatever variance from the grid (beat) they were recorded at . And to clarify "Recording separately" has no direct causation nor is it specifically facilitated from or by, quantising , cut and paste , or recording to a click, Per. Se. Lets not forget it was multi track "tape" recording that first allowed musicians to record "separately" and later combine separate parts. Rock bands were doing that long before digital came into use. Whie it is true that digital recording and digital files has made separate recording "more possible' ... It's entirely possible and is done all the time , where a guitarist records an entire song, then a drummer records the entire song, then a vocalist etc etc etc. with nary a quantize grid or Cut and paste in sight . And can even be done sans a click The available software tools are one situation.. the "mixing decisions" and process decisions are a different situation. and while they can certainly be contextually related, they are not automatically mutually inclusive or inherent . Again what is actually invalid in that video is the suggestion (especially the title) that association equals causation ...
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The guy knows his way around terminology, software and a DAW. It was fun watching him.
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Yes I watched the video, understand the terminology, have done all those processes personally, and know and exactly what he doing and talking about . But the "general" informational point I was trying to make (not just at you) but for those here that may not know exactly the processes or terminology ........ is "All of that" involves specific personal mixing decisions and is entirely caused by specific personal decisions and have no causation from the tools involved . Which by misleading title he is inferring ..... That a tool allows something to done is not indicating that it will be done...Just because I have a compound miter saw does not mean every cut has to be compound cut.
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I get that and do not misunderstand I completely agree that doing that to the extent that it kills the groove and humanity is sad, and arguably happens far to much. And I personally like Ric B and have watched a number of his videos But I am also aware that in his genuine passion and the fact that he is also YT monetization channel , he often accentuates the positive and exaggerates the negative .. thus grain of salt ,,, which is my point
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