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Guaranteed, someone would say the printed Rosewood had more bass and overtones than the printed Mahogany.
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The only thing with these new solid top X-series is they have those mother of pearl rosettes, like the new Road Series Martins, which I'm not super into. But on the other hand, they don't have any top binding, which could be a plus with the frequency of Martin binding issues people have run into the past half decade or so.
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I'm not sure. I have a picture of walnut that sounds somewhere between pictured rosewood and pictured mahogany
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WRONG! That's the territory of pictured Ovangkol.
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Lots of fun ribbing HPL but how many of you have actually owned one?
My 1st Martin was a DXM - it was affordable, played really nicely and sounded decent. Left you wanting to explore the brands higher end models. Everything a good 'entry-level' guitar should be.
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I actually have a martin LXM all hpl guitar. For what it is it sounds pretty good.
Its an excellent travelling/camping guitar. Expensive though
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I totally agree and the main reason I won't buy another Martin. They have moved from a reliable, tried and true high quality craftsman style builder with a product line you could count on to be consistent one to the next if it carried the Martin logo to yet another faceless mega-company using the "shotgun approach" of blasting out any number of styles and colors and models and materials and packages just hoping one of these "experiments" will catch on with the buying public. Taylor, I believe, is headed down the same path.
Too many companies have gotten too far away from their core product and core competencies and they start grasping at straws trying to come up with the next new "flavor of the month". That's when I have to say Bye Bye. Sorry for the rant.
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Ah, but just imagine the sweet sound of pictured Koa with a pictured ivory nut and saddle!!!
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Willie, I am sorry but you are incorrect. Pictured Ovangkol sounds like a mix of Pictured Koa, Pictured EIR, AND...wait for it... Pictured THE Tree. EVERYONE knows that. Keep it straight, mister. Your pal, Jimmy
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I do find it comical that we gearheads obsess over the minute tonal differences between sapele and mahogany, or ovangkol and rosewood, or Brazilian vs EIR, while at the same time keep the market alive for HPL, carbon fiber, and other interesting materials. And seriously, to each their own. I mean I own three Fluke ukuleles with plastic backs (one with a plastic fretboard) and I love them as much as I love my all-solid Mainland. Play what you like, love what you play. I think we're just all having a good-natured laugh here.
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Last time I went to GC, they had an all black HPL Martin that was falling apart. The back was coming completely separated from the sides.
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I don't use HPL for tops of instruments (dulcimers , guitars, ukuleles) only for the back and sides. I prefer spruce, western red cedar, sassafras, or redwood for soundboards. For guitars I use X bracing or fan bracing or a combination of the two. For back and sides HPL can work acceptably, and is a cheap and easily worked material. I generally build solid wood instruments or laminated wood back and sided instruments that use three layers of sequence matched veneer (and solid spruce soundboards). The cost savings from using HPL in a manufacturing environment is not only from the initial cheapness of the formica but also the labor and materials required to apply a finish to a wood bodied guitar. HPL comes prefinished. There is a material called Alpi Ligna that is wood veneer bonded to an HPL substrate which looks quite nice. It comes prefinished, but is relatively expensive ($15 sq./ft a few years ago) so don't expect to see it on low end guitars any time soon. If someone wanted to build a guitar or dulcimer, HPL would make a good "first" instrument because of its low cost and easy workability. Sides can be bent using a heat gun, and as stated - no finishing is required. Combined with a carefully selected lumberyard SPF soundboard a decent instrument could be made rather cheaply. It is fairly weatherproof, but not particularly durable otherwise. I find the old boomerang patterns and non wood grains more interesting than the standard wood grain patterns Martin uses, but for the demographic these are targeted to - first time guitar buyers - making them look like a "real" guitar makes sense. |
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They may have been "stable" in this position but this, added to the fact that Martin have had to add reinforcing to the bracing of these tops, does make me question the efficacy of HPL for guitar tops. The instruments sounded OK but I was unsure about the tops, so I sent them back. I would think that HPL back and sides with a wood top would be a better option. I've actually ended up with an Art & Lutherie Legacy to do the job I was after the Martin 0x1e to do. Apart from the fact it is has a way more preferable tone and volume compared to the Martin for my playing style I was most impressed by the build. It has obviously had an engineer's eye cast over every detail of production to be able to factory produce strong, stable and consistent guitars. I love the cherry plywood back and sides - that material seems to just "work" on all sorts of levels from sustainability, through the build process, and in its great tone.
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