The Acoustic Guitar Forum

Go Back   The Acoustic Guitar Forum > General Acoustic Guitar and Amplification Discussion > Custom Shop

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #31  
Old 04-03-2023, 06:06 PM
iim7V7IM7's Avatar
iim7V7IM7 iim7V7IM7 is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: An Exit Off the Turnpike in New Jersey
Posts: 5,145
Default A bit of sap…

John, trimmed the Malaysian Blackwood back set today and left a small amount of contrasting sapwood by the center seam. This will be a small tapered section of contrasting sapwood; wider at the end block and tapering to the heel cap.

The set is beautifully quartersawn and is presenting some contrasting black veining in the varying shades of brown heartwood. He scraped the set to and put some naphtha on it see if it changed color from the pre-scraped surface. Like old sets of old wood, does not change color beneath the surface.

__________________
A bunch of nice archtops, flattops, a gypsy & nylon strings…
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 04-03-2023, 06:11 PM
Nemoman Nemoman is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: N. California
Posts: 3,129
Default

Very cool--I was hoping you'd end up keeping some of the sapwood!
__________________
2013 Stehr Auditorium (Carpathian/Myrtle)
2015 Stehr Auditorium (Adi/BRW)
2020 Baranik Meridian (Blue Spruce/Manchinga)
2020 Wilborn Arum (Tunnel 14/Coco)
2021 Kinnaird Graybeard (BC Cedar/Bog Oak)
2022 Kinnaird CS Student Build (Adi/Padauk)
2023 Kinnaird FS (Italian/Koa)
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 04-03-2023, 06:16 PM
Simon Fay Simon Fay is offline
AGF Sponsor
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: New Smyrna Beach, FL
Posts: 1,789
Default

The build is looking great !!! I just wanted to comment on the top grading. Your German top is near-Mastergrade ... definitely too good to be considered a AA or AAA.

I don't see any wavy/bear claw marks or any type of flaw. The grain is extremely tight and very straight. Doesn't look like there is any runout at all. The ONLY thing that keeps this top from being a true Mastergrade top is that the grain lines are not homogenous enough. Some lines are slightly darker and more noticeable than others. Otherwise, this top is cosmetically ... as good as it can get. It is challenging to find quality like this without a lot of effort.
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 04-03-2023, 06:24 PM
Mr. Paul's Avatar
Mr. Paul Mr. Paul is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: in the shadow of Humboldt Peak
Posts: 3,945
Default

Magnificent. Wow.
__________________

Martin 00-17A, OM-28e MD
Goodall THR 000
Wingert F
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 04-03-2023, 06:58 PM
iim7V7IM7's Avatar
iim7V7IM7 iim7V7IM7 is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: An Exit Off the Turnpike in New Jersey
Posts: 5,145
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nemoman View Post
Very cool--I was hoping you'd end up keeping some of the sapwood!


Quote:
Originally Posted by Simon Fay View Post
The build is looking great !!! I just wanted to comment on the top grading. Your German top is near-Mastergrade ... definitely too good to be considered a AA or AAA.

I don't see any wavy/bear claw marks or any type of flaw. The grain is extremely tight and very straight. Doesn't look like there is any runout at all. The ONLY thing that keeps this top from being a true Mastergrade top is that the grain lines are not homogenous enough. Some lines are slightly darker and more noticeable than others. Otherwise, this top is cosmetically ... as good as it can get. It is challenging to find quality like this without a lot of effort.
Thank you Simon. I know that you have worked in Malaysian Blackwood before. In general, you use some of the nicest sets of quartersawn tonewoods in your instruments. So coming from you, that is a major compliment.

I am just speaking in historic terms with regard to the soundboard where there was no “master grade”, just A, AA and AAA. I used AA/AAA because AAA meant straight, very regular and tight grained, and uniform in color. When I said AA/AAA, I meant it was aesthetically very nice set. It is a lovely German Spruce top that John selected when he visited Andreas Gleissner in Germany. They are a great wood supplier. My nicest archtop Sycamore Maple back set came from Gleissner. What is most important to me is John picked from their “pile” based on its physical characteristics and it has been in his wood locker for a decade.

We live in a world of escalated marketing superlatives where too much is referred to as “master grade” or “AAAAA” etc…

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Paul View Post
Magnificent. Wow.
Thank you
__________________
A bunch of nice archtops, flattops, a gypsy & nylon strings…

Last edited by iim7V7IM7; 04-04-2023 at 04:54 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 04-03-2023, 07:23 PM
Guitars44me's Avatar
Guitars44me Guitars44me is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Mountains east of San Diego
Posts: 7,287
Smile Mighty yummy!

These woods are BOSS, indeed

Loving the sapwood on the back. This will be a guitar worthy of your abilities!

Woohoo

Have FUN

Paul
__________________
3 John Kinnaird SS 12c CUSTOMS:
Big Maple/Cedar Dread
Jumbo Spanish Cedar/WRC
Jumbo OLD Brazilian RW/WRC

R.T 2 12c sinker RW/Claro
96 422ce bought new!
96 LKSM 12
552ce 12x12

J. Stepick Bari Weissy WRC/Walnut

More
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 04-03-2023, 08:12 PM
justonwo's Avatar
justonwo justonwo is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 7,110
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Guitars44me View Post
These woods are BOSS, indeed

Loving the sapwood on the back. This will be a guitar worthy of your abilities!

Woohoo

Have FUN

Paul
I’d say the back and sides are more like XXX!
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 04-03-2023, 08:14 PM
iim7V7IM7's Avatar
iim7V7IM7 iim7V7IM7 is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: An Exit Off the Turnpike in New Jersey
Posts: 5,145
Default

Thanks Paul…. Like the rest of my guitars, I anticipate that it will be worthy well beyond my meager hobbyist playing abilities…

Quote:
Originally Posted by Guitars44me View Post
These woods are BOSS, indeed

Loving the sapwood on the back. This will be a guitar worthy of your abilities!

Woohoo

Have FUN

Paul
__________________
A bunch of nice archtops, flattops, a gypsy & nylon strings…
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 04-05-2023, 06:18 PM
iim7V7IM7's Avatar
iim7V7IM7 iim7V7IM7 is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: An Exit Off the Turnpike in New Jersey
Posts: 5,145
Default

Yesterday’s shot was a flip from a single side. This is the actual Malaysian Blackwood set near its final sapwood trim configuration before joining the plates. Like most things in nature, it is asymmetrical. A bit of wabi-sabi for the natural back strip.

__________________
A bunch of nice archtops, flattops, a gypsy & nylon strings…
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 04-05-2023, 06:21 PM
jt1 jt1 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,055
Default

I'm certain all the wood sets are of TGFWIF grade!

(Stealing a line from Wayne Henderson: Too Good For Who It's For).



Gonna be a spectacular instrument.
__________________
John
Reply With Quote
  #41  
Old 04-05-2023, 06:40 PM
iim7V7IM7's Avatar
iim7V7IM7 iim7V7IM7 is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: An Exit Off the Turnpike in New Jersey
Posts: 5,145
Default

You know it…

Quote:
Originally Posted by jt1 View Post
I'm certain all the wood sets are of TGFWIF grade!

(Stealing a line from Wayne Henderson: Too Good For Who It's For).



Gonna be a spectacular instrument.
__________________
A bunch of nice archtops, flattops, a gypsy & nylon strings…
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 04-06-2023, 07:32 AM
Steve Kinnaird's Avatar
Steve Kinnaird Steve Kinnaird is offline
AGF Sponsor
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Nacogdoches, TX
Posts: 3,586
Default

Looks perfect, Bob!
__________________
www.stephenkinnaird.com

Crafted in the Piney Woods
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 04-17-2023, 05:55 PM
iim7V7IM7's Avatar
iim7V7IM7 iim7V7IM7 is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: An Exit Off the Turnpike in New Jersey
Posts: 5,145
Default

I was able to have the rare opportunity to spend an hour in a quiet room with John Slobod auditioning my Sexauer 0 and Bashkin and Blanchard 00s along with two Circa 00s that he had at the Artisan Guitar Show to audition last weekend.

We were able to go back and forth between them. He had me play the same passages on all five guitars. Through this process of listening and talking afterwards, we developed a common language for describing tone in terms of:

- Time domain (speed of attack and length of decay),
- Frequency domain (strength fundamentals vs. level of overtones) and
- Amplitude (responsiveness to touch, balance vs desired headroom).

Words trying to describe tone among guitarists like “wet”, “dry”, “fat”, “warm”, “bright”, “dark”, “woody” or “glassy” mean different things to different people. I think we have a good understanding now….

We were also able to identify ergonomic preferences in neck profile shape and string spacing. This is an ideal and rare conversation to have contemporaneous to when a luthier is beginning your guitar, instead of years earlier when my order was placed. I should see John again at the Woodstock Invitational Luthiers Showcase in October hopefully with my guitar in hand.
__________________
A bunch of nice archtops, flattops, a gypsy & nylon strings…
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 05-02-2023, 07:18 PM
iim7V7IM7's Avatar
iim7V7IM7 iim7V7IM7 is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: An Exit Off the Turnpike in New Jersey
Posts: 5,145
Default Joining the Plates

John trimmed, planed, glued up and clamped up the Malaysian Blackwood back set today.



John trued up the edges of the set using his super sharp 24” Stanley #8 jointer plane.



Malaysian Blackwood sapwood curls…



Tomorrow, the pattern placement on the set can be finalized…
__________________
A bunch of nice archtops, flattops, a gypsy & nylon strings…
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 05-02-2023, 07:50 PM
Steve Kinnaird's Avatar
Steve Kinnaird Steve Kinnaird is offline
AGF Sponsor
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Nacogdoches, TX
Posts: 3,586
Default

Satisfying to see the progress.
__________________
www.stephenkinnaird.com

Crafted in the Piney Woods
Reply With Quote
Reply

  The Acoustic Guitar Forum > General Acoustic Guitar and Amplification Discussion > Custom Shop

Thread Tools





All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:58 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, The Acoustic Guitar Forum
vB Ad Management by =RedTyger=