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Old 11-26-2021, 06:50 PM
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Call him up. He may have worked with a tech in your area already, or can talk you through it, or work with any tech of your choice. Just don't have a tech who thinks he'll use tape or glue that is not what Teddy says. I know a top shop who won't use the epoxy, so customers don't get full value with their pickups.

Ok thanks! Will do.
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Old 11-28-2021, 10:23 AM
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I had to play out last night and I didnít have time to order any new pickup. I had two used LR Baggs Lyrics that weíre pulled from other guitars. One had a unusually good capsule. I installed it in the new guitar along the treble side of the bridge plate next to the X brace. It sounds terrific. I remember the other Lyric sounding poor.

Hereís my unscientific hypothesis:

I think itís a Lyric mic capsule lottery. My guess is that they hand pick the capsules that go into the professional demo guitars. If you get a good one, youíre in luck. If you get an average one, itís honk city and no bass. Otherwise the treble side position seems to be the best for this D-28.

Since it sounds good, I will leave well enough alone until something with the Lyric changes for the worse.
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Old 11-28-2021, 10:37 AM
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I already consulted two of my AGF buddies privately, so I will put the question to all of you. After selling most of my guitars in 2020 to pay legal bills, my wife treated me to an early Christmas present: a custom Martin D-28 from Reno's! It's the same build as my D-28 Marquis, but with the MLO neck. Huzzah.

You all know I like K&K and have been using them successfully with the SunnAudio preamp and the ToneDexter.

So, what are the new flavors of pickup delight in 2021? Extra credit for sound board transducers or anything lightweight without an under saddle.

Happy Thanksgiving AGF!
Trance Audio Amulet M Phantom for active with Henkel Loctite 6-Minute Epoxy-mounted Amulets.

Dazzo #70 Set for passive with Henkel Loctite 6-Minute Epoxy-mounted transducers.
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Years ago I put a Schertler Bluestick in my Yairi.

I know you don't want to go UTS, but, to this day, it remains the best sounding acoustic pickup I've ever used...
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Old 11-28-2021, 10:51 AM
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Trance Audio Amulet M Phantom for active with Henkel Loctite 6-Minute Epoxy-mounted Amulets.

Dazzo #70 Set for passive with Henkel Loctite 6-Minute Epoxy-mounted transducers.

Wow, youíre mounting the amulets with epoxy? Do tell!?
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Old 11-28-2021, 11:24 AM
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Wow, youíre mounting the amulets with epoxy? Do tell!?
Hi Dave, simply put, usage of the Trance permanent tape has left me wanting something more in the amplified! It's great for strong mounting and relocation purposes but doesn't let the full tonal potential of the Amulets be heard. I've recently mounted the Trance Amulet M Phantom system in my Larrivee C-03 TE Tommy Emmanuel using Henkel Loctite 6-Minute Epoxy (this is what Teddy of Dazzo recommends for installing his Dazzos) and I hear the best results of any Trance system I've ever installed. Next weekend, I'll make some sound files, and hopefully what I hear as better tonal results with the epoxy mounting will also be heard by others through the direct-to-computer sound files. Using the Henkel Loctite 6-Minute Epoxy was a risk on my part as Gary Hull of Trance Audio has recommended against using anything other than the permanent tape. Who knows, when I hear the recordings, they may reveal something undesirable in the tone, as opposed to what I'm hearing through the PA, and I'll feel silly and publicly embarrassed for using the epoxy!

My original installation thread for the Trance Amulet M Phantom and Larrivee C-03 TE Tommy Emmanuel combination.
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Old 11-28-2021, 03:46 PM
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Hi Dave, simply put, I believe that the Trance permanent tape BLOWS! It's great for strong mounting and relocation purposes but doesn't let the full tonal potential of the Amulets be heard. I've recently mounted the Trance Amulet M Phantom system in my Larrivee C-03 TE Tommy Emmanuel using Henkel Loctite 6-Minute Epoxy (this is what Teddy of Dazzo recommends for installing his Dazzos) and I hear the best results of any Trance system I've ever installed. Next weekend, I'll make some sound files, and hopefully what I hear as better tonal results with the epoxy mounting will also be heard by others through the direct-to-computer sound files. Using the Henkel Loctite 6-Minute Epoxy was a risk on my part as Gary Hull of Trance Audio has recommended against using anything other than the permanent tape. Who knows, when I hear the recordings, they may reveal something undesirable in the tone, as opposed to what I'm hearing through the PA, and I'll feel silly and publicly embarrassed for using the epoxy!

My original installation thread for the Trance Amulet M Phantom and Larrivee C-03 TE Tommy Emmanuel combination.

Very interesting. Iím eagerly awaiting your results. Hopefully it wonít be the same as the HFN glue experiment. Sounded ok through the PA with the highs rolled off. But it didnít work direct. But I guess it only matters if you record direct - I donít. I used a mic for recording or casting.
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Old 11-28-2021, 04:10 PM
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I had to play out last night and I didnít have time to order any new pickup. I had two used LR Baggs Lyrics that weíre pulled from other guitars. One had a unusually good capsule. I installed it in the new guitar along the treble side of the bridge plate next to the X brace. It sounds terrific. I remember the other Lyric sounding poor.

Hereís my unscientific hypothesis:

I think itís a Lyric mic capsule lottery. My guess is that they hand pick the capsules that go into the professional demo guitars. If you get a good one, youíre in luck. If you get an average one, itís honk city and no bass. Otherwise the treble side position seems to be the best for this D-28.

Since it sounds good, I will leave well enough alone until something with the Lyric changes for the worse.
Could be, but I think it has more to do with placement. There was a guy over at the Lr Baggs forum who tried the Lyric in the three positions that are recommended for the tru-mic in the Anthem. One is in front of the bridge pin, another behind and then one along the X brace. His findings were similar to yours. He loved the X bracing installation the best as it removed the honk.

I had a Lyric for a bit and it was probably my favourite pickup to play. I no longer felt like I was playing a pickup. It just had the response and feel of my guitar. It lacked bass, which is why I removed it. Oddly enough, I don't like the Anthem. There's something about the Element and tru-mic that just comes across and mid range heavy or hollow sounding.
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Old 11-28-2021, 04:34 PM
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Could be, but I think it has more to do with placement. There was a guy over at the Lr Baggs forum who tried the Lyric in the three positions that are recommended for the tru-mic in the Anthem. One is in front of the bridge pin, another behind and then one along the X brace. His findings were similar to yours. He loved the X bracing installation the best as it removed the honk.

I had a Lyric for a bit and it was probably my favourite pickup to play. I no longer felt like I was playing a pickup. It just had the response and feel of my guitar. It lacked bass, which is why I removed it. Oddly enough, I don't like the Anthem. There's something about the Element and tru-mic that just comes across and mid range heavy or hollow sounding.

Indeed. Thatís the reference I used on the Baggs forum to choose the location.

In this article youíll see the source of the information about the selection of the capsules for the Lyric.

https://acousticguitar.com/l-r-baggs-lyric-review/
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Old 11-28-2021, 04:44 PM
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Indeed. Thatís the reference I used on the Baggs forum to choose the location.

In this article youíll see the source of the information about the selection of the capsules for the Lyric.

https://acousticguitar.com/l-r-baggs-lyric-review/
I do sometimes think about trying to make my own Anthem, but with the Lyric aas the primary pickup. It just sounds so much better than the tru-mic. I know Doug Young tried the Lyric/K&K and had mixed results.
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Old 11-28-2021, 04:46 PM
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I do sometimes think about trying to make my own Anthem, but with the Lyric aas the primary pickup. It just sounds so much better than the tru-mic. I know Doug Young tried the Lyric/K&K and had mixed results.

The problem with this stuff is that even with a blender you need a crossover and have to decide where to put it. There will always be weirdness in the sound associated with any crossover in any system. It makes me head hurt going in circles with with. :-)
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Depends on your playing style. Mostly a strummer or finger picker? If a finger picker, want to keep it simple, and own a good pre, you might want to consider the Barbera Soloist. Yes, you need a 1/8Ē bridge saddle slot, but its passive and covers lots of musical ground with excellent tone and articulation.
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I'm of the Aura VT camp

You can't get a better plugged in tone.
I LOVE my Aura-equipped Martin, but it sounds great because it came with a factory-installed Aura system loaded with images of that specific guitar.

The same Aura technology doesn't work nearly as well when you're trying to find an Aura image that suits your guitar, but wasn't actually made for your exact guitar model and pickup combination. I found this out the hard way when I bought an Aura DI to try and get the same magic from my other acoustics and never came close.
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Depends on your playing style. Mostly a strummer or finger picker? If a finger picker, want to keep it simple, and own a good pre, you might want to consider the Barbera Soloist. Yes, you need a 1/8Ē bridge saddle slot, but its passive and covers lots of musical ground with excellent tone and articulation.
I do a bit of both. Mostly fingers for folk, but flat pick for bluegrass. That's a good suggestion.
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I LOVE my Aura-equipped Martin, but it sounds great because it came with a factory-installed Aura system loaded with images of that specific guitar.

The same Aura technology doesn't work nearly as well when you're trying to find an Aura image that suits your guitar, but wasn't actually made for your exact guitar model and pickup combination. I found this out the hard way when I bought an Aura DI to try and get the same magic from my other acoustics and never came close.
I agree for sure. The best pickup I ever had was the Aura Plus in my HD28E Retro. That was a guitar I should have kept.
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