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Wow, Kid, looks like the size and weight of the Tonedexter are not a deal breaker for you...
Quite a setup.
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ToneDexter is without peer in my opinion and a better investment than more expensive pickups or dual source systems. However, if you've got the ear that can appreciate its goodness, then you might have the ear to chase tweaks into infinity and the ability to hear minor defects as major. That sort of endless chase doomed Aura for me. My ToneDextor met the same fate, but unlike Aura, I am very impressed with what it can do and I don't see my personal shortcomings as a strike against it :~).
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A few have mentioned Aura and I have to say it is dependant on the application.....
I was hooked on Aura when it first came out...it did what some of the claims promised. It changed the sound to hide piezo quack. It also gave you a mic’d sound of your guitar...IF you had the mainly popular models on their Image Gallery eg. a J45 or a D18/28. If you had a metal Dobro, me!, with a piezo reso pickup, adding a few % Aura of something like a dread did get rid of the cardboard quack sound, wel it did with mine. My Blues King, well, it was in nowhere land - bubinga body with a fairly unique acoustic sound that no amount of Aura-ing would help against the inbuilt Baggs Element. I mean, it was improved by removing the quack.... Then, ba doom ba doom, big drum roll.....Martin brought out the Retro series guitars with inbuilt Aura and images recorded from vintage donor guitars. Oohh, yeah, baby! One of those had to be mine! But which one? Oh agony. D18, 28, 000-18 etc? At the music shop, I played those 3 acoustically and plugged to their little PA. Even though I am a OM/000 guy, I went for the D18E Retro. Just superb - great guitar, great pickup system, plug and play anywhere. Aura in all its superbness, if you like. All controls u need at the fingertips. Not many of us bought them! So, to me, the Tonedexter is the Aura for my guitars that are pickup’d but no Aura image in the gallery to suit. Yes, I will happily train it and I really like it. But like I have said before, if I was going to a blues jam or open mic, having to take the red box and find a power point makes it a big decision to take and waste time when I have 2 road warrior Maton plug and play AP5-Pro pickup system loaded AND a Martin Retro D18E fully loaded with Aura images from a 1938 Martin D18. (truth is the Martin is never going to see an open mic as I would probably get knocked on the head and have the guitar pinched on the way out to my car). Having to take the preamp and a EQ box would nix taking a guitar with my (wonderful) new Sunrise pickup too, I think...perhaps. Years and years ago, I would lug my little electric guitar and tube amp to blues jams because I didn’t want to use the house amp, a shocker transistor unloved Yamaha thing.....so that is how I know about the giddling around and begging for a power point with the mixing desk Nazi. So after getting a lather up rushing around to set up amp, of course, everone wants to use my amp.....and turn it on full, no no non no no No, I’m going home early. I fully suspect it could be the same if you take the Red Thing! BluesKing777. Last edited by BluesKing777; 11-02-2018 at 06:21 PM. |
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I agree that “getting rid of the quack” is something the TD is very good at but I can also do this with other bits of kit and isn’t really miraculous.
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I'm confused, not to argue, but I thought you were objecting to my saying it worked magic on USTs. Apparently I misunderstood. It is definitely true that TD doesn't work on all pickups. The TD team is pretty clear about what pickups they've tried and and also which ones are known not to work well - I doubt they've had a chance to try your Framus system, but if you let them know, they might have some advice, or might add it to the "doesn't work well" list. I'm actually not sure I've heard of anyone trying it on archtops, either, that may be new territory. Again, I'd ask the TD team about that.
It's pretty cool that a shop in the UK carries the ToneDexter! In case you don't know, TD is a team of three guys, just avid guitarists who are trying to do something useful. So I'm not surprised they don't have trained staff in the UK :-) But they do have pretty extensive videos on their site to help people know how to use it. Quote:
I am curious what other devices you have found that get rid of quack. I avoid USTs, so that's not a problem for me, but it's a pretty common issue here on AGF, so I think people would be happy to hear what works for you.
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By archtop, do you mean an acoustic type with added piezo or electric guitar style, Doug?
I have a successful wavefile for my 1935 Gibson Black Special (a flat back L50 that was a ‘special customer’ edition, so I was told. Years ago when I bought it, I took it my luthier man and asked him to add a pickup without hurting the guitar too much. He came up with a Schatten Archtop Pickup, which is a whole archtop bridge with a piezo inside somewhere. Loose the strings, take out the old bridge and put in case but make sure to note the position! In goes the Schatten and the lead went across to the F Hole and inside to the endpin area. Sounds fabulous in Tonedexter! Just so ‘real’. Sounds absolutely horrible with no TD. BluesKing777. |
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I don't know, what shufflebeat was saying didn't work well was a Framus archtop with some kind of ust. I was just commenting on that.
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The TD will give you the best hassle free acoustic sound you will find. Buying in the U.K. I would advise buying a decent dedicated power supply. Sounds Great Music (the dealers) will advise.
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I wouldn't have expected Audio Sprockets to have trained up staff, neither would I have expected the shop to have done so (ok, maybe a little bit out of professional curiosity if nothing else) but the lack of advice leaves un-tech-savvy musicians vulnerable to unwise choices based on hyperbolic talk. Quote:
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From my experience of talking to Sounds Great about ToneDexter, I'd be surprised if they were able to advise on anything - they were unhelpful, disinterested and unknowledgable - completely useless.
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Just as well they're so reasonably priced then, isn't it?
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To be honest I couldn't have asked for anything more. I would use them again.
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The AG Stomp did indeed do a nice job of reducing quack, tho I don't think it came close to ToneDexter (but I never had both at the same time - if you have both, maybe do a demo?). I was always surprised that gadget disappeared from the market so quickly. Tho as I recall, I didn't like anything about it other than the modeling feature, and it was a kind of clunky box to use just for that feature.
Sorry if "miraculous" was over the top, I was thinking about all the jaws I've seen drop when they try it for the first time, especially people with bad-sounding USTs.
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