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To me, any electronics that require holes on the side of the guitar is unacceptable...to me. Even Taylor's ES. I ordered mine sans electronics and installed my own system. Their is the aesthetic reason, but moreover, electronics are an ever-improving accessory and although a wood acoustic guitar will improve with time, for many, it's a long, even life long instrument, so why install a system that requires holes in the wood when so many options exist that don't where the existing hole will be problematic to try and retrofit with a new set of electronics? Of course, most players don't care, but I do. Jmo.
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I don't think manufacturers base their guitar builds on that premise but you're correct that a better-sounding, future system may well prompt the sale of a player's older versions of a brand--it affected me that way! I think they install systems they think are good at that particular time-frame of manufacture, along with availability and consistent, on-time delivery of systems from a manufacturer. I give kudos to Taylor for making their own systems to better integrate with their guitars. The new Expression System 2, I feel, is a real plus for their brand.
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I think it's more about them cutting out the middle man and increasing profit margin. Taylor did the same with their cases and tuners as well. Today being in business is not easy. Maybe it's more of staying afloat than profit margins. (not singling out only Taylor BTW)
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In Wood & Steel, Taylor has said that a major portion of the dealers get requests (and sales) for guitars with electronics. The dealers would have to stock both with and without, and sit on that stock given relatively few requests for without.
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At this point, I have a very strong preference for the Fishman Matrix style of pickup with the hidden soundhole controls. I ordered my Rainsong without a pickup (because I don't like barn doors) and had a K&K pure mini installed. Only think I dislike about the K&K is you really need to haul a bunch of external boxes around since you don't know how well you will be impedance matched to the house system. If I had to do it again I'd put in a powered system (Fishman)
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The Anthem system (as seen on my Shorty in the pics in the classified section, I know I'm shameless ) the controls are also in the sound hole. But unlike many passive systems the pre amp is in the 1/4 jack and the battery sits inside the guitar. All can be removed if need be with no damage to the guitar. It's an under saddle pickup and a separate microphone. It sounds very natural. You can blend saddle and microphone to your liking. Best of both worlds. No affiliation with lr Baggs. Just my opinion.
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Just bought a Shorty and really bonding with it so far. For me I would have preferred no electronics at all. I agree it looks antiquated, and the tuner isn't that accurate either. I do really like the guitar so it isn't an issue.
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As a relative newcomer to the guitar-buying/collecting world, it's hard to figure out what's worth getting and what's not, and it's made much more difficult by dearth of good neighborhood guitar stores. I just bought a Rainsong with electronics from LA Guitar Sales, even though I originally went in to buy a used Shorty without electronics. I'm not good enough of a player to need the electronics, but it's frankly hard to find a guitar in that quality range without the electronics, at least one stocked in a store you can play. I have been visiting a lot of guitar stores whenever I travel (NY, Philly, Chicago), and it was particularly nice to have Ted spend some time showing me guitars, talking to me, and demonstrating some of the guitars so I can hear them from the other side (and from a better player!). I am delighted with my Rainsong, which I bought mostly for travel.
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Glad you made the discovery. I see you have a very nice collection of wood guitars as well. Nothing will replace the natural beauty and personality differences found in each wood guitar. Having said that, what you did quickly realize is that you can hear and feel the quality of a quality CF guitar once you try one out. RainSongs are killer guitars!
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They're elegant, and they sound great, but the knobs aren't very usable, particularly in a live setting. I prefer big ugly knobs that are easy to turn.
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