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I was engineering a jingle session in the early 1980s and Anthony Jackson was on the date. The arranger was out in the room with the players, and before they had played anything, (and there were never any unrecorded rehearsals or rundowns) the arranger said, "... and this time, Anthony, play a little less."
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Not sure if this like a guitar, or like a bass, but I'm pretty sure no one is giving him any grief. Do your thang, man. https://youtu.be/JUlwqvTtJZQ
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Reread what Rudy4 said until you can quote it all with your eyes shut.
When you hear people say don't play bass like it's a guitar, they're not talking about technique. What they mean is that, in general, bass should keep a steady pattern and not go off on intricate melodic or harmonic pyrotechnics. Guitarists who pick up basses often just transfer their cool guitar riffs to bass, which defeats the purpose of the instrument. And makes bassists weep. The bassist's job — again, in general — is bottom. It's fifty percent of a small band's rhythm section, working closely with the drummer to make a firm foundation for the musicality and invention of the other instrments. Even in jazz and funk, the bassist only goes into wild riffs on bass solos, not when other artists are singing or soloing. Google some Jaco Pastorius. That's not to say that you pick or finger bass exactly as you would guitar. But the criticism of bassists who think they're playing guitar has to do with the role of the instrument, not the technique. So to answer your question, all bass books will teach you what you need to know: technique, as in how to fret and pick, and role, as in how to hold down that steady bottom groove. Learn the bass lines in the book and you won't be playing it like it's a guitar. Last edited by Charlie Bernstein; 08-21-2023 at 09:18 AM. |
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Sure, they could riff, but they never quit their day jobs. From the classical era to the foreseeable future, there's a reason it's called bass. So yes. Be the kick drum. Be the heartbeat. Be the pendulum. Be the throb. Be the beat. As a guitar player, I really need a bass player who can do that. That doesn't mean no variation. McCartney, Entwistle, Jamerson and the others varied their bass lines all the time. But always in the context of bottom. They never tried to play lead. Other people had lead covered. Last edited by Charlie Bernstein; 08-21-2023 at 09:17 AM. |
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Turn it around. Imagine a bassist swapping with the guitarist and playing the guitar like a bass. Might be interesting, but would that help the band? Yuck! Last edited by Charlie Bernstein; 08-21-2023 at 09:13 AM. |
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Those guys all had bottom down to a science. They got fancy and fanciful, but always, always, always within the context of the rhythm section and the chord arrangement. Interesting to me is Keith Richards. He's never believed that rhythm and lead guitar are two different things. As he put it, you don't walk into a music store and ask to see a rhythm guitar or a lead guitar. And in his Stones work, it was always Charlie Watts's drumming that he was playing along with. He anchored himself to it. So you could almost say he's guilty of playing guitar like it's a bass. And to good effect, right? Last edited by Charlie Bernstein; 08-21-2023 at 09:15 AM. |
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And looping? Mechanical and monotonous! |
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Getting back to the technique of "playing like a bass player", what I notice with guitar players playing bass is their evident belief that licks and lines are the building blocks they are working with, kinda like lead guitar, but that leaves the music lacking when the bass leans in that direction. The building blocks of bass are chord tones and counterpoint, especially melody counterpoint. Phil and Flea both make some interesting note choices, but play their lines and you will find that they are regularly "touching base" with the chord tones. The art is in how they get there. Plus, what a bass player can accomplish with the groove alone can be surprising. My last band started "rehearsal" with a jam of whatever anybody kicked into, song, groove, drum beat, whatever. The guitar players were both about 1/3 my age, very talented, and very green. The drummer was an old friend, kinda light on technique, but on catching the vibe you were throwing he is tops, like he can almost "see" where you want to go. One evening I decided to give a groove lesson to the young whippersnappers, so I led them through a 15 minute jam of shifting times, grooves, beats, and pockets, rolled them around and left them standing on their head. The only note I played was A on the E string. Probably not many guitar players would even think of doing that, which is likely why I am a bass player who plays guitar, not the other way around. |
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Bass comes through really nice on this recording.
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Listen to pop records of the sixties. Notice how the bass lines can be simple in support of the song. Likely many were Carol Kay parts. Listen to James Jameson on those Motown hits. When you play with others, notice how a one five heavy line in the groove always sounds good, and how you can destroy the song with too many notes. But those Monkees and Mamas and the Papas hits are a treasure trove of info. Peter Asher produced anything is a classroom. And listen to Paul McCartney from the very early BBC shows on. See how he adds one or two notes to a standard 50s rock and roll line to propel the songs. And there is no better melodic bass line than his part in Something.
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As a melody instrument player, to me this is just a whole different language. Which is why it's so fascinating.
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