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The advantages of CF are plentiful. The biggest disadvantage for most guitarists is that they don't sound like traditional wood guitars. It's very doubtful you'll find one that sounds better than traditional wood guitars (especially when you're fighting the all to common bias against non-wood guitars), but you can certainly find ones that sound as good. For instance, my CA Vintage Performer sounds very much like a quality wood guitar. It could easily convince some wood lovers to consider CF. But it doesn't sound better. |
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I don't understand why you're really surprised. Think of it like this and keep in mind I have never tried or seen a CF guitar in person.
I like the look, feel & tone of wooden guitars. All the acoustic music that I like was made with wooden guitars. I'm not crazy about the look of a CF guitar, Their OK. Where I live I don't have a great problems with maintaining my wooden guitars. (in case humidifiers) I never had a wood guitar that needed a neck reset. So what is left to win me over with CF guitars?, the tone & price. We've already established that the prices for CF guitars are up there with nice wooden guitars (Martin D-18 was the example given). So... to my way of thinking, the tone has to be the factor that sways me over to the CF guitars. If the tone is only as good, I'm sticking with wood. This discussion reminds me of the electric guys that go back & forth over the idea of "reliced" guitars vs. new looking guitars. It's just "different strokes for different folks" It's all good! Last edited by skeeterbuck; 12-13-2013 at 11:21 AM. |
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I live in New England and just laid my wooden guitars down to sleep tucked away in their cases within my humidified closet... meanwhile my CFs are staying out and within arms reach next to the TV. Oh.. and did I mention they sound terrific? |
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I'm not trying to convince you, by the way, but I believe that most guitarists would prefer not to have to worry about maintaining proper humidity levels. It's a hassle they've gotten used to dealing with, but would prefer not to. For them, I suspect most would consider CF guitars if they felt they sounded as good as wood. |
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I don't sell guitars, so it isn't my place to try to convince anyone of anything. If someone is a "wood guy" and they can't see any potential advantage, their mind is closed. I'm not saying that is bad, just not open.
Some like a mahogany top better than a spruce top. If that's all they know, they will never try a maple. I've been playing for almost 50 years. Only the last few have I spent time to learn more about tonewoods. Options. Carbon fiber is another option. Some will like it, some won't. Some like Taylor, some like Martin. None of that changes my taste or choices. I haven't tried every brand of carbon fiber, so I can't say all CF compares with all wood... but, I do have a Rainsong Shorty that I am mighty fond of. I like options. |
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Isn't the tone we seek related to music we come to like and revere over a period of years? And isn't that usually music from our own lifetimes?
When the Elvis or Clapton or Segovia of the future uses a CF guitar, sales will increase, competition will breed development and breakthroughs. The wood guitar may join film, sliderules, and telegraph instruments as once superior technologies that still have a tiny cult-like following but is well outside the mainstream. |
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*ducks* Ok, in all seriousness: Carbon fiber is expensive. My Rainsong is the most expensive guitar I own, and it was a fairly good stretch to be able to afford it. I know some guys with Carbon Fiber mountain bikes. There are a lot of advantages, but 99.9%+ are still made from either aluminum or steel. You can buy carbon fiber auto parts, but 99.9999% are still made of steel. You can buy carbon fiber gunstocks, but most are wood or injection molded. Etc. In each case, while CF construction has some measurable benefit (stiffness, weight savings) the price/cost limits the application to a small segment of the marketplace.
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Now… talk about hassle that's my commute back and forth to work, but that getting off of the topic. I think that it would be better for the CF manufactures to try and get more music stores to carry their line. Like I've stated in my previous post, I never had the chance to play one because none of my local stores carry them. |
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If you would like to buy me a CF guitar, I would gladly play it, but until then I'll choose what make of guitar that I spend my money on. Quote:
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I hope you do get the chance to play some CF guitars. However, they won’t blow you away when compared to wood guitars. If the durability aspect doesn’t add any value for you, it is very unlikely that CF makes any sense… for you. |
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For myself, I'd own a CF guitar as a beater, probably never for the sound it produces, but for something that can withstand abuse. I'm sure there will be improvements along the way, but it will never replace the beauty and sound of a wooden instrument. And why is it important to replace wood? By the way, my Petros T13 guitar does have CF rods in the neck, so I think there are always going to be new ways to improve things.
CF could be just as easily an aluminum, plexiglass, pvc, or even stained glass. Each would be cool to see and hear, especially a stained glass guitar lit from inside. That I'd like to see and hear. Could be a crazy instrument like the glass armonica. Guess I should have simply googled it to see an electric version has already been created for Jimmy Fallon: http://www.deanguitars.com/news/content.php?id=53 Last edited by martind42; 12-15-2013 at 11:20 AM. |
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Beauty is certainly subjective (plus I love the look of wood guitars, too; my prize electric is a Rosewood Telecaster, which looks incredible), so I won't debate that point. However, how can you be so sure that CF can't sound as good as (or better than) wood? I have at least one CF guitar that very few people (if any) would be able to tell wasn't wood in a blind listening test. And CF will only get better and better as the builders refine their skills.
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I have no issue with wood guitars, but CF can do things wood just can't just because of its superior strength, light weight and mold ability. I know it was shown earlier, but this guitar is just not possible in wood and its a hoot, and my guitar love.
Glad someone is pushing the envelope, or this wouldn't exist. Martin and Taylor make a Doubleneck and they make two of them and stick them in a museum.
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Love it!
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