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Old 10-13-2021, 06:53 PM
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I'm looking for an acoustic that can get the type of sound Jeff is getting here in his recording at kexp with this vintage small body guitar. Seems to have no sustain, minimal chime, note separation. You guys probably have better descriptions. Knowing Jeff, the strings are likely old, and of course vintage and small body. This one is just mic'd I believe since the performance is simple.

Would love advice on a higher end model and string combination, or whatever you suggest, that may get me there.

Martin 00-18 and wait for my strings to die?

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Old 10-13-2021, 07:09 PM
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I think you are on to something with the dead/old strings. That seems to be a big contributor to this sound.

Definitely quick decay, which likely means mahogany b&s.

The soundhole looks to be enlarged due to some of the top wearing out around it. So a larger soundhole may contribute something too.

Thatís definitely an old instrument. I would look for something well played and broken in. That helps tremendously with that quick response and fast decay as well.
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Old 10-13-2021, 07:17 PM
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Agreed - it looks like a very old, small-bodied mahogany. Possibly a variant on an 0-18?

Check out this old reverb listing. Iím seeing a lot of similarities - mahogany back/sides, slotted headstock, no visible name on the headstock, no pickguard. Does that look similar?

You can also get a lot of decay with a ladder-braced guitar. I believe Jeff Tweedy also has a Waterloo WL-S (deluxe?) thatís good for a similar sound.
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Old 10-13-2021, 07:23 PM
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Sounds like your idea of finding a 0 or 00 18-type (mahogany back-and-sides) Martin and leave the strings on for about 5 years or more and you'd have just what you are looking for.

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Old 10-13-2021, 07:25 PM
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Thanks so much for the responses. Glad I'm headed in the right direction.
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Old 10-13-2021, 07:27 PM
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You're probably correct in an old Martin. My possible price range being a new martin 0/00-18 and wait for the strings to die I guess.

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Agreed - it looks like a very old, small-bodied mahogany. Possibly a variant on an 0-18?

Check out this old reverb listing. Iím seeing a lot of similarities - mahogany back/sides, slotted headstock, no visible name on the headstock, no pickguard. Does that look similar?

You can also get a lot of decay with a ladder-braced guitar. I believe Jeff Tweedy also has a Waterloo WL-S (deluxe?) thatís good for a similar sound.
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Old 10-13-2021, 07:29 PM
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I see a nice vibey 1940 kalamazoo L-00 body on reverb. Likely ladder braced. Just don't want things too bright, but likely the brightness is compounded by new strings.
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Old 10-13-2021, 07:59 PM
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You can get used 15 series Martins all day long for under $1K. The difficult part is waiting the 6 months for the strings to ferment.
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Old 10-13-2021, 11:02 PM
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Check out a Martin 0-16NY from the 60s. Super lightly built like the early 1930s 0-18 that Jeff is playing. Donít think the bracing is identical but they have a very similar sound and can be found for around $2-3k.
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Old 10-13-2021, 11:50 PM
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1927-30 Martin 00-18 12-fret. You can tell from the bridge, as they moved away from the straight bridge around 27-28. Yeah, older strings. some of us like 'em. Screams "old guitar tone."
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Old 10-14-2021, 02:28 AM
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That large soundhole p/u is sucking resonance and acoustic volume from the guitar too. So he can hit it those dead strings harder for less sound. Try 80/20s, you won't have to wait so long before they die back to that fundamental thud.

I bet that you could spend less than $500 and get very, very close to that tone!
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Old 10-14-2021, 04:03 AM
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It's a 1930s Martin 0-18; here's Jeff talking about it (1:42) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRmv2mw4orA
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Old 10-14-2021, 04:29 AM
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I'll develop the new boutique "pre-fermented strings"

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You can get used 15 series Martins all day long for under $1K. The difficult part is waiting the 6 months for the strings to ferment.
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Old 10-14-2021, 04:30 AM
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Thanks for the rec.

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Check out a Martin 0-16NY from the 60s. Super lightly built like the early 1930s 0-18 that Jeff is playing. Donít think the bracing is identical but they have a very similar sound and can be found for around $2-3k.
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Old 10-14-2021, 04:32 AM
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Thanks so much. I may be near there with my gretsch style 3 modeled after an L-00, but it's still way too bright and shimmery to be where this guitar is.

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That large soundhole p/u is sucking resonance and acoustic volume from the guitar too. So he can hit it those dead strings harder for less sound. Try 80/20s, you won't have to wait so long before they die back to that fundamental thud.

I bet that you could spend less than $500 and get very, very close to that tone!
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