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Old 11-28-2018, 09:32 AM
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If rick-slo 's post is an accurate representation of your recording
Let there be no doubt! Of course it's just a visual aid since there has been doubt expressed by OP.

Sound was recorded in Audacity. Waveform in Audacity screen captured and saved as a jpg via photo editor.

In any case one should be able to hear this or all the rest about pre and post recording tweaks of this and that is rather futile.

There are settings in both Steinberg UR44 and the DAW to consider. Probably the most direct thing to do to not mess up some
setting is to set the DAW to defaults. Have the DAW set to record a stereo track which will automatically be panned hard R and L
(at this point do not try to use two separate mono tracks). Still mono result then something about the Steinberg UR44 settings.
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Old 11-28-2018, 10:37 AM
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This is the stereo settings, I choosed. I can hear it from the left on my headphones.



The same, from the right.



My inputs settings.



My output settings.



The full levels of my mentioned stereo settings.



And here you can see the levels, when I turn of Left and Right and pan them manually to L and R.
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Old 11-28-2018, 11:00 AM
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I don't use a UR44 but it looks like to me you are recording the left mike as a mono input and the right mike as a mon input. When you combine those as they are it will end up with a mono sound.
I believe you need to select the "S" button to have a single stereo track.
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Old 11-28-2018, 12:21 PM
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I don't use a UR44 but it looks like to me you are recording the left mike as a mono input and the right mike as a mon input. When you combine those as they are it will end up with a mono sound.
I believe you need to select the "S" button to have a single stereo track.
Unfortunately, the S button is for Solo, M is for Mute. The question is, if I even can change it to stereo now, when it's already recorded. I tried almost everything, what I could, but no better results. I can try a plugin MonoToStereo, it helped spread the sound a little bit.

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Old 11-28-2018, 12:58 PM
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Donít you have pan controls on each channel? If not, Iíd get some other software. Audacity is free, if nothing else.
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Old 11-28-2018, 01:04 PM
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Unfortunately, the S button is for Solo, M is for Mute. The question is, if I even can change it to stereo now, when it's already recorded.
I figured you did that, but yes, you have to record again from scratch.

Don't feel bad as it can be confusing. This guy on youtube giving a "Master Class" in XY made the same mistake (as I just posted a comment to that effect)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwHz1AoDnuI
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Donít you have pan controls on each channel? If not, Iíd get some other software. Audacity is free, if nothing else.
I have, I'm using Cubase.
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I figured you did that, but yes, you have to record again from scratch.
Interesting thing: I just figured out, that manually panned or automatically panned is the same thing. Honestly, I don't have strenght to record it again, I recorded it so many times , for now I'll keep it. But I have Pro Tools SE as well, worth to see, if it was something in setup.

I fell like an idiot right now, I have so many microphones for nothing..
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Old 11-28-2018, 02:59 PM
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Unfortunately, the S button is for Solo, M is for Mute. The question is, if I even can change it to stereo now, when it's already recorded. I tried almost everything, what I could, but no better results. I can try a plugin MonoToStereo, it helped spread the sound a little bit.


Unfortunately I use pro tools and I am not at all familiar with Cubase's GUI
It looks like your inputs and outputs are correct .
You may want to consider joining the Seinburg forums for more targeted expertise in cubase specifically

https://www.steinberg.net/forums/

That said
I cannot see any pan controls on any of your screen shots. Can you do a screen shot of your mixer ? and do you know where the pan control/s are?

BTW the left and right mics should be recorded as mono, given they are in fact mono mics and it should make no difference if it is a stereo track, or two mono tracks ... NOTE a stereo track is actually just two mono inputs one left and one right, that are feeding the same single split/stacked mono tracks, with one set of controls . Where two separate mono tracks have obviously two sets of controls.
Either way the recording are actually dual mono.

Also Zoom way in on the waveforms for your left and right and see it the are exactly the same or slightly different...If they are exactly the same i.e. you could overlay one over the other and there would be no variation then you are actually getting the signal from only one mi
c ....if they are slight different then you are getting the signal from two different mics
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Old 11-28-2018, 03:19 PM
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BTW the left and right mics should be recorded as mono and should make no difference if it is a stereo track or two mono tracks ... NOTE a stereo track is in fact two mono inputs one left and one right, that are bussed to the same double mono track .
Two main reasons I record a stereo track rather than two separate mono tracks:

1. Less chance for routing and panning errors.

2. Much easier to do clip simultaneous editing of R and L sides in one stereo track.


Most plugins that I use can work with the R and L sides individually should that be desired (though that would be rare for me to want other than a R or L track delay or the use of a stereo reverb)
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Two main reasons I record a stereo track rather than two separate mono tracks:

1. Less chance for routing and panning errors.

2. Much easier to do clip simultaneous editing of R and L sides in one stereo track.


Most plugins that I use can work with the R and L sides individually should that be desired (though that would be rare for me to want other than a R or L track delay or the use of a stereo reverb)
That may be the way you prefer to work and your DAW choice , which is great.

For me in Pro Tools it makes no difference at all .
In either routing selection, panning , or editing, given PT can edit multiple tracks simultaneously with a single swipe .
The point still remains the problem he is having looks to be in a single stereo track from his screen shot
Looks like a stereo track to me

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That may be the way you prefer to work and your DAW choice , which is great. For me in Pro Tools it makes no difference.
In either routing selection or editing, given PT can edit multiple tracks simultaneously with a single swipe .
The point still remains the problem he is having looks to be in a single stereo track from his screen shot
Say you want to rearrange the recording, delete out an extra repeat of something you played. If you can do that simultaneously and equally to each mono track with one click then that's great. Or you want
one instance of some reverb affecting both R and L sides without having to set up a send track/return, etc., then that's also great.

Regarding the screen shots, I not familiar with that DAW interface to be sure. I do know there are other settings that are setup in other interfaces not shown in the screen shots.
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Say you want to rearrange the recording, delete out an extra repeat of something you played. If you can do that simultaneously and equally to each mono track with one click then that's great. Or you want
one instance of some reverb affecting both R and L sides without having to set up a send track/return, etc., then that's also great.
Yes you can select any specific length section of audio (like a repeat or bad note or mic click etc. etc., by clicking and dragging a single swipe on as many mono tracks (or stereo or instrument tracks and any combo of any of them ) as you want and hit delete and that section of audio and or midi notes will be deleted or changed or automated as desired on all selected tracks . As well as fade in and outs on any edits simultaneously on all selected tracks. There really are some very good reasons PT became the industry standard for Digital Audio editing and mixing , for example stereo tracks in PT have two individual left and right pan knobs, that can be independent ,or linked to go the same direction, or linked to go opposite directions......... But ultimately what we are really talking about is as much or more about individual personal workflow preference. For example since I always use session templates, my parallel reverb send and return are already set up in the session before I even start to record.

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Regarding the screen shots, I not familiar with that DAW interface to be sure. I do know there are other settings that are setup in other interfaces not shown in the screen shots.
I am not familiar with it either and no doubt there are dropdown windows and selection options not shown. However I looked at the steinburg/cubase website and a few youtube vids and am pretty certain he is showing a single stereo track
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However I looked at the steinburg/cubase website and a few youtube vids and am pretty certain he is showing a single stereo track
I use Cubase and yeah, those are two stereo tracks he's recorded to. Note what's called the Inspector to the left: panning is disabled so everything is coming right up the middle, summed to mono, I think.
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Yes, the left track is panned left, but the right track (image below) says (in faint print) no panner. That needs to be enabled and panned right. Still odd to have that happen. In my DAW when I record a stereo track R and L are automatically panned hard right and hard left respectively. Who knows, maybe the raw recording was panned correctly but things get messed up when the wav file is exported. Worth looking into that.


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I think what he did was to record to 2 stereo tracks, the left input to one and the right input to the other. I can only assume that neither track will allow panning.
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