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Old 09-23-2020, 07:19 AM
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THAT wood is really cool...the look, the story, everything about it!! Should make an awesome guitar for some lucky person. Can't wait to see who gets it, but based on what I've already read on this thread, it very well may find a home on the west coast
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A few years ago my son was helping a friend of his who digs out lakes for posh people. They unearthed a large piece of bog oak. It was left for a year or two to dry out (it cracks alot) and then cut up to make things. One thing he had made with it was a beautiful woodcraft knife. Handmade blade matched to this wood. So beautiful in fact that I admired it and he had one made for me too.
Eventually, it's odd how things happen, I fell in love with a particular Lowden guitar only to find that the back and sides were bog oak. Weird innit?
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THAT is really cool!! Should make an awesome guitar for some lucky person. Can't wait to see who gets it, but based on what I've already read on this thread, it very well may find a home on the west coast
It certainly might...
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Old 09-23-2020, 12:52 PM
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A couple of weeks ago I played a few new Lowdens in a shop. One was bog oak with a redwood top and it was very expensive and very dull sounding. Another hanging beside it was cocobolo and Adirondack spruce, a lot less expensive and a lot better sounding.
Just because it's thousands of years old doesn't mean it will make good guitars!
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A couple of weeks ago I played a few new Lowdens in a shop. One was bog oak with a redwood top and it was very expensive and very dull sounding. Another hanging beside it was cocobolo and Adirondack spruce, a lot less expensive and a lot better sounding.
Just because it's thousands of years old doesn't mean it will make good guitars!
Maybe the Louden needed a few weeks on a Tone-Rite to get used to being a guitar???

If this doesn't sound real good when John is done with it I will be VERY SURPRISED.

It is interesting looking stuff for sure.

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A couple of weeks ago I played a few new Lowdens in a shop. One was bog oak with a redwood top and it was very expensive and very dull sounding. Another hanging beside it was cocobolo and Adirondack spruce, a lot less expensive and a lot better sounding.
Just because it's thousands of years old doesn't mean it will make good guitars!

I would have thought that the cocobolo/adirondack would be way more expensive than the redwood/bog oak combo if all else was equal. I don't think that the bog oak is a very expensive upgrade?

I guess it depends on a number of factors. There is a thread somewhere in the Custom Shop list, probably on page 2 or 3 by now, on my Tom Sands Bog Oak guitar and several sound clips by Will McNicol and it is anything but dull sounding and it was only a couple of days old when he played it.

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There is no way to accurately date bog oak ( no easy, inexpensive way, at least ) so it could have been buried for 50 years or 5,000 - its mostly color and marketing - its very pretty, but I’d imagine well seasoned non-bog oak would sound equally well, although it would have a far less interesting story and color -
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I would have thought that the cocobolo/adirondack would be way more expensive than the redwood/bog oak combo if all else was equal. I don't think that the bog oak is a very expensive.
The bog oak one was €2,000 more expensive!
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I would have thought that the cocobolo/adirondack would be way more expensive than the redwood/bog oak combo if all else was equal. I don't think that the bog oak is a very expensive upgrade?

I guess it depends on a number of factors. There is a thread somewhere in the Custom Shop list, probably on page 2 or 3 by now, on my Tom Sands Bog Oak guitar and several sound clips by Will McNicol and it is anything but dull sounding and it was only a couple of days old when he played it.
Was about to comment about Tom's recent oak guitar. He told me it's one of his favorite sounding to date. And hearing from Will's capable hands, very alive and lyrical indeed.
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Old 09-24-2020, 04:29 AM
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The bog oak one was €2,000 more expensive!
That seems excessive.
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That seems excessive.
Exactly, it would be excessive even it it sounded better, which it most definitely didn't.
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Exactly, it would be excessive even it it sounded better, which it most definitely didn't.
There are so many factors governing sound, back and sides being one of them of course but it would be difficult to say with certainty that the bog oak was responsible for the disappointing sound. One of my best sounding guitars was a little guy with a white oak body. I wont credit the oak for the sonic success, but I will say that the oak certainly did not get in the way.
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Old 09-25-2020, 03:30 AM
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There are so many factors governing sound, back and sides being one of them of course but it would be difficult to say with certainty that the bog oak was responsible for the disappointing sound. One of my best sounding guitars was a little guy with a white oak body. I wont credit the oak for the sonic success, but I will say that the oak certainly did not get in the way.
I realise that, in fact I'm often arguing on this forum that the back and sides wood makes very little difference to the sound of a guitar. My point was that some manufacturers charge a huge premium for an unusual timber which may or may not sound good.
In this particular case, the cocobolo / Adirondack guitar sounded so much better and yet was €2000 cheaper, but you wouldn't know this unless you played the guitars in the shop. So many people ask online, what does this or that wood combination sound like and it's really impossible to answer that question with any degree of certainty.
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Wow, that stuff looks sooooo beautiful. The fact that it's really old only adds to the fun.
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Found this quite interesting.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-norfolk-19722595
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