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#1 Trance Amulet M-VT Phantom, #2 Dazzo #70 Set, #3 a tie between the Ultra Tonic 3.2 and B-Band A1.2N-1470 pickup/preamp system, and Schatten HFN Artist Plus 2 I need to play with the Ultra Tonic to adjust it to what I want to hear and that could move it up in my standings.
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1) Amulet + Epoxy or installed by Maury's music. With the red tape, it's another story.
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I've added the Schatten HFN Artist Plus 2 to my third-place tie for my favorite pickup systems.
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Honestly I prefer my Anthems to the UT. But that might be caused by my piezo-allergy. It surely sounds better via PA speakers. The Schatten is at least the quality/price winner. If they just find a way to improve the bass response! I'm looking forward to your Amulet sound clips!
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Thanks for posting your experience with the Ultratonic. I will put together my recent experience with it in a Guild F212-XL. For now, suffice it to say that I initially thought that I was recording the guitar incorrectly, and that the recording was being colored by one or more of the high-quality condenser microphones I had connected. Despite setting those on mute, the recorded sound from the Ultratonic seemed too good to be true. Finally, I disconnected all the microphone cables, only to find that the pickup alone was truly sounding that good.
James May did the installation of the pickup, using two additional small transducers (he found the string spacing of the 12-string too wide to use just a single long pickup). My first experience with a passive system (I hate having to replace batteries!), and I'll never go back. I have a high-end pickup/microphone dual system (with battery) in a 50-year-old Martin D-28 that I plan to have replaced with an Ultratonic. I'll put these through a Tonedexter, knowing that I have an outstanding signal to start off with. |
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Doesn't Maury use the red tape though? My findings were similar. There were aspects of the Amulet that I really liked, but I always felt as though the true potential was hindered a bit with the tape.
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Maury mentioned in one of his posts something about being taught well by Gary Hull of Trance Audio on the proper installation of the Amulets. Being that Gary is adamant about not using anything other than the red tape my assumption is that Maury uses it and goes through the turnbuckle-clamp/selective-area procedure to find the best-sounding location on the Amulet by listening through an amp while positioning and tightening the turnbuckle-clamp along the length of the Amulet. Once the best-sounding location is found, the turnbuckle is used to push against the Amulet for 12-hours. Gary Hull claims the red tape adhesive undergoes a chemical transformation at that pressure-area spot to maintain that spot as the best-sounding position even after the clamp's pressure is released. Gary has urged me to try his method but I find it too tedious to manipulate the clamp inside the guitar.
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Trance.
I really like the Trance. The Ultra tonic sounds really good to me also on your clips. I didn’t care for the Schatten. I really wanted to like it cause Django Books has the Artist 2 on sale for $179. I think I’ll order one just to try it out. I’ve got a Collings 01T I just got and I’ll try it out. Thanks for posting your sound clips. They’re always really informative and fairly accurate findings.
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I just listened with headphones and will offer my honest thoughts as requested. The UltraTonic sounds too "middy" to my ears and the attack is kind of hard and plastic-ey. maybe some call that quacky, but It sounds like a Piezo to me. It may very well work great and cut through a band mix? (Reminds me of the K&K) After using K&K personally for a long time in my best acoustic, I gave up on the K&K and concluded I am not a fan of the K&K. I sold it including the Pure XLR preamp and I am done with K&K's and the Ultratonic demo simply doesn't entice me to try it.
This is my honest opinion for what "I like" and is not meant as condescending in any way. I respect and admire your talent, skill and devotion to optimizing your amplified sound and I am incredibly grateful for the post. It is very helpful. The Ultratonic may very well check the boxes for what you want and prefer as well as many others. I don't hear any 'air' or as much nuance in this Ultratonic demo. The frequency range is balanced. Maybe what I take issue with? I do tend to EQ a mid scoop on my acoustic amp at home to 'some degree'. But that lets me hear perhaps a little more treble detail and transition from low to high. Your thoughts are welcome and your effort is always applauded, most welcome and helpful. Thank you for keeping an open mind. (I will do that as well)
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If the goal is to find the multi-switch position which yields the most accurate recording of your guitar, it might be helpful to make dual recordings of the pickup signal on one channel and a well-positioned mic’s signal on a separate channel. You could make such a pair of recordings for every multi-switch position that you think is a possible contender.
To my way of thinking, the main purpose of the Ultra-Tonic is to provide a pleasing AND STABLE amplified tone that will accommodate a variety of live performance situations. For that purpose it makes more sense to use a PA system or amp to determine the optimum multi-switch position. Beyond that point, I’d certainly be open to any EQ adjustments that would make the tone more pleasing to my ears in any particular live setting. |
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I'm going to make more DIP-switch adjustments to hear what they can do for the Ultra Tonic's tone. I'd like to dial in a nice useable tone with the Ultra Tonic adjusted just right by using its onboard DIP-switch array and then just use any outboard EQ to spice the sound for any playing conditions. I really like the concept behind the Ultra Tonic's technology!
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To be fair, I am not sure if I have ever heard a direct recording of a pickup where there wasn't a bit of piezo tone present. I have heard it with the Amulet, Dazzo, K&K and even the Anthem. I bet live you wouldn't even detect it.
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I like the mic idea and that'll likely also figure into the process.
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I agree! Usually putting anywhere from 10 to 50 feet of air between a loudspeaker and an audience member's ears can smooth out the piezo artifacts that are heard in any pickup's direct recording.
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