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Wow, don't know how I missed this! Just stumbled on the first post from the OP a few minutes ago. Wonderful guitar, very pretty song, well played. Had never heard it, but I started playing along just to see if I could grasp it. Gonna have to learn the words to this. Again, well played, sir.
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I ask because I, too, have learned his Dutchman almost note for note, and do pick upward to catch some notes, but they are like filler, not melody. My melody notes are downward. It does not have Goodman's (and your) distinctive sound. Maybe what I am doing is back-picking, which is an easy add-on to regular flat picking. But if cross-picking means pulling up on melody notes, it would be a whole different thing. I can't even begin to get it started.
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On the playing style and technique -- I dunno. Feel free to email me direct at charmedlifepicks @ gmail, or I'd even be happy to chat on the phone. I've been playing it so long that it's all muscle memory now, and I don't really think or ponder it much. But I would call it cross-picking. In general I don't do a lot of upward or back-stroking; I mainly just do standard down-stroke with a flat pick. The way this came about was I had the great good fortune to get referred for my very first guitar teacher to a guy who loved and was obsessed with Mississippi John Hurt. So in my first year of playing I was already playing "Candy Man" and tunes like that. Over time, I was influenced by the stylings of people like Don McClean and other artists. McClean plays with not just a thumbpick but also with metal fingerpicks (the same way he plays banjo). Eventually I found that sound too brassy and bold and, over time, got rid of all picks when playing fingerstyle, which I prefer up to the present. Somewhere in there I begin to play a flatpick as I had used a thumbpick, that back and forth motion. So, yeah, I'd call it cross-picking, if you were to visualize the path of the flatpick in the identical motion of a thumbpick. Hope this helps. Feel free to drop a line. All The Best, Scott Last edited by Charmed Life Picks; 04-30-2019 at 12:15 PM. |
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Cross-picking is continuous downward and upward picking on individual strings, shown here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bb7v33D3iE The video lag in your Dutchman makes it look like notes are being picked on an upstroke, most noticeable in your break, beginning at 3:00 and ending when you say "Got it". But from what you say, the notes are actually played with normal downstrokes. BTW, I really appreciate the clarity and pace of your Dutchman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=4PfTx2yws1E Compared to this uncomfortably fast performance by Goodman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRedELI1owE And back on topic, I am amazed how much better, fuller, richer your rather new Eastman sounds than my old Martin. Can some of that difference be in the recording?
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Vintage, sorry for the delayed response. You're probably right on the nomenclature. I call it cross-picking, but apparently what I do is called something else. Appreciate the correction.
You know, I'm probably the biggest Steve Goodman fan on the planet, but I, like you, felt he always played "The Dutchman" too spritely. It's almost like he's scared of the emotion in the song. And again, I love the guy to death. I can't find it online, but the most beautiful version I've heard is the one Michael himself performed at the tribute memorial concert for Steve at McCormick Place in Chicago. So slow and mournful, and so perfect for the occasion. Anyway, thanks for the kind words. On your last question, I dunno. As I've mentioned, That $850 (used) Eastman is my #1 player. My HD-28 mostly sits in the case now. take care, scott |
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Nice playing/singing in the video OP! I've been contemplating discontinuing using pickup systems and just using my Sennheiser 935 for vocals and one of my Shure SM81s on guitar for my live work. Your video makes me believe that's doable!
I had never bought (or even played) any Eastmans until a couple of weeks ago. I've since bought Eastman mandolin, mandola, and octave mandolin. And that's got me at least looking at their guitars. I have a closet full of nice American Breedloves, Gibson, and Avalon. So I'll have to find the right Eastman to replace one of those. But I have no doubt there are plenty out there! Made-in-China is no longer a label that turns me off. I've owned a lot of very nice American and Spanish-made guitars in my life, and some of the higher-end stuff coming out of China these days takes a back seat to none but the very best single-luthier instruments.
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Thank you, that is some very nice playing and great sounding guitar. My luthier just became an Eastman dealer and had to get the basic required set of six guitars in stock. Now I think I will have to try one or two out next time I'm in the store.
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I got my first Eastman 3 years ago, an E10D, and just picked up an E10OM-SB. Amazing instruments I love to play just as much as my vintage D28 and Huss and Dalton TDM. I have less invested in both Eastmans together than in any one American guitar I've ever bought.
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If you're playing solo acoustic, there's no reason to use a pick-up. I'm a fanatic about the reproduction of wooden tone, as you can probably tell from the vid. I'm the worst tone-chaser I know. That Eastman was played into a $100 Shure SM-58. There's not a p/u on the planet that sounds as good as that cheap microphone, and I own three of the best -- Trance Audio, Baggs & Pickup the World. The only reason to use a p/u, in my view, is when playing in an ensemble where feedback becomes a problem, or when playing with drums and electric bass and guitar. Or if the room is really funky and hard to get a decent EQ. Case in point, we saw Riders in the Sky two nights ago and they all played directly into mics, even Ranger Doug with his Gibson archtop. Nary a pickup in sight. And most of the straight acoustic groups still go directly into a mic at the Opry, as far as I know. Feel free to drop me a PM on this topic and we'll compare notes. I just LOVE the sound of a live mic on a wooden instrument. BTW, in case you missed it earlier, that Eastman model I'm playing is their J-45 clone -- adi over hog. I bought that thing used for $850 and now play it far more than my HD-28. Main reason? The Martin is a heckuva strummer, but the Eastman has a lot more snap, which makes it ideal for fingerstyle. Since I do both styles when playing out, it means I can use one guitar instead of two. Take Care, Scott Last edited by Charmed Life Picks; 05-24-2019 at 06:22 PM. |
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It seems to me that a lot of players younger than, say, forty don't really know what an acoustic guitar sounds like without a pickup. It's really a shame. thanks! scott |
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Godfather: The pleasure is all mine. I fell for this song hook-line-and-sinker the first time I saw Goodman perform it and have pursued mastering it like madman for more than three decades. I've practiced that last run well over 10,000 times through the years and STILL can't get it right most times. Ah me.
BTW, I had never heard of Eastman till about five years ago, when I joined this forum. It turned out a good buddy of mine was selling a really clean used one. Wow wow wow. A good Eastman is, in my book, as good as any Taylor, Martin or Collings out there. I'm still Jonesing for a genuine Gibson J-45, although I can't a new one sounding or feeling any better than the Eastie. My dream is to purchase a genuine Banner J-45 (1942-1945) for myself as a retirement gift. Thanks again for the kind words. I'm humbled that this vid has touched so many years. A song filled with such aching compassion and understanding. scott memmer |