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Any tips for transposing?
I have Glenn Weiser's Celtic Guitar book/cd (just ordered a couple more of his books also). Many of the tunes in Glenn's book are in standard and I'd like to transpose a short one into CGCGCD or DADGAD and I wondering if anyone uses software (like GuitarPro) to do it automatically (and have to fix the notes that get dropped) or do you just move everything down manually in the transcription software note by note.
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You will need to rearrange it on your own.
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Quickest - and safest - to do it by hand, even with software that could do it for you. As Doug says, even an advanced program like Sibelius is dumb when choosing fingerings: it takes no account of playability when copying notation to tab.
You have to play it through note by note in the new tuning to see what works, what needs to be moved - and whether you might want to change the key. (Eg, a tune in C or E in EADGBE, might work well in D in DADGAD.) I'd imagine that some tunes arranged specifically for EADGBE are just not going to work in other tunings - not without substantial re-arrangement (beyond just moving frets up or down).
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Ok, thanks. I'll make up a translation table and do it manually.
I also have to figure out what it is exactly that I want to do. I could do a table that just assigns the standard tuning notes to what ever tuning I choose, but that might not be the best key for the new tuning. Trial and error .
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As far as transposing, you can certainly make a table, but it's not hard to do in your head if you think in terms of scale degrees. Chords, for example, think I, IV, V not C,F,G. once you do that, you can easily map the I, IV, V in any key to another. Melody notes are the same. Instead of thinking of playing an A in the key of C, think of that note as the 6th note of the scale. Then it's easy to move to any other key: 6th of E is C#, 6th of D is B, 6th of Ab is F and so on. I did a quick demo of what I was talking about with using a tab program, I'll post as soon as it uploads to you tube
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It is possible, if not likely, that a tune in one tuning will not translate note for note into another. As has been said, some of the dynamics, hammer-ons, slides etc won't be possible and notes on open strings in one tuning will have to be fingered in another. It will be a good learning exercise to try but you may have to re-arrange the tune altogether.
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Actually it's pretty unusual to find a book of Celtic guitar music set in standard (or dropped D) tuning. Since standard tuning is my preferred hangout I think that is pretty neat (if arrangements are well done anyway).
I think you will find those standard tuning arrangements have the chord root note pretty well tied up to the bass strings and with less modal droning than with typical Celtic tunings, i.e. a little different than the usual Celtic sound. It may not transfer well to another tuning. Nevertheless have at it and see how it goes.
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Most of Glenn's (rather extensive) books on celtic music are in standard tuning. Sometimes he uses drop D. He's a bit of a scholar on trad music. His arrangements tend to be straight-forward, but all very well done.
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Here you go Barry, here's a demo of what I was trying to describe earlier. This is just a tool - maybe useful, maybe not. In many cases, it's easier just to work out your own arrangement in the key/tuning you want, but this is a tool that can be used and it sort of "works", except when it doesn't :-)
I have no idea how GuitarPro works, but it can probably do something like this, tho the toolset is probably totally different. Sorry, I'm blathering a bit here, just did this quick on the fly, so maybe a few confusing terminology choices, but hopefully clear enough...
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I.e., you're maximising the advantages of the alternative tuning (open strings), while keeping the original melodic material and making the whole piece as playable as possible. Natural it tends to require changing the original key, but that's no problem for an instrumental tune. Can I ask what you used to make the video?
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Guitarpro is a little clunky for manual transposing, in version 6, can't drag a note position. You can however right click on the note and drop it down a string or one semitone up or down.
Last night I transposed Glenn's arrangement of The Southwind from standard to cgdgcd. The only reason why I chose that tuning is because my Avalon is currently tuned that way I'm going to test it out on the guitar tonight and tweak it.
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I just used Quicktime on my Mac. It has a screen recorder that lets you record the full screen or sweep out any part of it.
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I assume Quicktime records your voice too - you have a mic?
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