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Old 09-16-2017, 12:42 PM
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Hi Jon

Here is our first video - Blackwaterside - played from your songbook. This is my favourite song to play so I was delighted to get a more detailed version in the book and to rework it. I'm probably the first person to record a song from this book, I'm sure Bert would be happy

Personally, I think my flamenco guitar sounds great for blues, folk, classical, it's a real work horse, and that's why I finally only have one guitar. I'm so glad I finally switched over from steel strings to nylon strings and would recommend it to any fingerpicker.

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Old 09-17-2017, 10:54 AM
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Hi Jon

Here is our first video - Blackwaterside - played from your songbook. This is my favourite song to play so I was delighted to get a more detailed version in the book and to rework it. I'm probably the first person to record a song from this book, I'm sure Bert would be happy

Personally, I think my flamenco guitar sounds great for blues, folk, classical, it's a real work horse, and that's why I finally only have one guitar. I'm so glad I finally switched over from steel strings to nylon strings and would recommend it to any fingerpicker.

Very nice! The vocal and guitar work really well together.

I prefer nylon strings myself when I play some of his tunes, but that's mainly because of the greater spaces between the strings. It's easier for those pieces where open strings need to ring between fretted notes. I certainly find Chambertin a lot easier on my Aria nylon-string than my Guild steel-string. (I think my technique has just got lazier on steel-string...)
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I'm likely to cover many of these songs with my wife singing. I'll sing them myself, but my wife will the do the "official" versions as she is a great singer. We already have Blackwaterside on my youtube channel, but we'd like to re-do it soon with my Spanish Guitar, which we like better.

When I get the tab book, I'll learn the Reynardine solo, and record that, as my wife already sings that one too.

Being Northern English, my wife thinks that Bert's songs suit me much more than any blues song I sing.

Needle of Death will probably come after that.
Very nice rendition of Blackwaterside.
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Old 05-26-2019, 09:19 AM
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Very nice rendition of Blackwaterside.
Thanks! Although my wife raises the bar significantly every time she sings with me, I knew for a long time that my guitar playing just wasn't right for this song. Since that last version, I finally worked out how to get the phrasing better and more Bert like.

Bert's famous motive appears in several of his songs (especially Blackwaterside) and while I learnt them, I always knew that it just didn't sound like Bert. I also noticed that the covers I heard online also didn't get it like Bert. I was playing it too flat, with equal importance and time for each note.

It was all written in the score above the tabs, but as I am a poor reader of music I didn't notice it, and I also didn't get it when I originally learnt Blackwaterside from Rolly Brown's lessons (who, in hindsight, I don't think presented that motive well enough).

Eventually, last month when beginning to learn 'First time ever I saw your face', I noticed, from this incredible tab book, where I had been going wrong. I finally saw it in the score and knew what Bert was doing. And practiced. He's playing those notes like Anne Briggs sings with embellishments (just as I had read Jon Renbourne describing it). It is hard to explain, but if you compare the new cover with the previous cover you'll hear what I'm talking about.

It is like he's hanging on to that first note for longer than normal, establishing it, and then quickly putting in his motive of hammer-ons and pull-offs as embellishments to get to the next note, just like Anne Briggs with her voice. It's like I have crossed a threshold of understanding.

New cover:
https://www.acousticguitarforum.com/...d.php?t=547804

Previous (presented earlier in this old thread):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqBPv16hRsQ


I quickly went back to Reynardine also to relearn those phrases, and now I am much happier with how it sounds.

Those phrases are so important to the feel of these songs. Anyway, I'm still in love with this tab book and really looking forward to a second edition.

I hope you are listening JonPR! I'd love to see your tabbed version of One for Joe, which I also learnt from Rolly Brown, be doesn't seem quite right to me. And the rest of Bert's great tunes (like his version of Lady Nothyng).
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Old 05-26-2019, 05:25 PM
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Bert's famous motive appears in several of his songs (especially Blackwaterside) and while I learnt them, I always knew that it just didn't sound like Bert. I also noticed that the covers I heard online also didn't get it like Bert. I was playing it too flat, with equal importance and time for each note.

It was all written in the score above the tabs, but as I am a poor reader of music I didn't notice it, and I also didn't get it when I originally learnt Blackwaterside from Rolly Brown's lessons (who, in hindsight, I don't think presented that motive well enough).

Eventually, last month when beginning to learn 'First time ever I saw your face', I noticed, from this incredible tab book, where I had been going wrong. I finally saw it in the score and knew what Bert was doing. And practiced. He's playing those notes like Anne Briggs sings with embellishments (just as I had read Jon Renbourne describing it). It is hard to explain, but if you compare the new cover with the previous cover you'll hear what I'm talking about.

It is like he's hanging on to that first note for longer than normal, establishing it, and then quickly putting in his motive of hammer-ons and pull-offs as embellishments to get to the next note
Exactly. It was a very common rhythm of Bert's, not just in Blackwaterside. He'd hit beat 1, then accent beat "1-and" (the 8th after the beat) - then, crucially, let beat 2 go by; then the ornament would come in swiftly right before beat 3. Sometimes it was so quick you'd miss it.
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Those phrases are so important to the feel of these songs. Anyway, I'm still in love with this tab book and really looking forward to a second edition.
Me too. A short list is prepared (in fact quite a long list...), just waiting a go ahead...
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I hope you are listening JonPR! I'd love to see your tabbed version of One for Joe, which I also learnt from Rolly Brown, be doesn't seem quite right to me. And the rest of Bert's great tunes (like his version of Lady Nothyng).
One for Jo is a definite for book 2 (when it comes).
I have tab if you want it, but this video should tell you most (if not all) of what you need to know:
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Old 05-29-2019, 12:51 PM
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Thanks for the offer for the tab Jon. I am currently working on a number of songs and have many more to get through (on top of studying, working, and family) so I am happy to wait for book number two
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