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Old 01-19-2020, 07:48 PM
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I am just a hobbyist and been playing SA220 for fun at parties, and sometimes I use the PA to play music as well (with my home theater sub). I just sold my SA220 and was going to buy the SA300x with the sub however after realizing some additional cost - $150 for carrying case (like the one that came with SA220) and $60 for the sub pole I am considering Bose L1c (almost $400 cheaper).

How is the L1c for backing tracks or to play music (is the bass good enough)? Also - Bose L1c was announced almost 11 yrs ago; I wonder when they will get updated.
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Old 01-20-2020, 02:46 AM
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The L1 compact is a fine PA but itís success depends on the room you are playing in. In smaller rooms I prefer the compact to its big brother.
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Old 01-20-2020, 11:15 AM
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Again this is much like the Fishman LBM Charge vs the Bose S1 Pro comparisons. Both of these Fishman units are tailored for high end piezo pickups and are pretty much plug & play with very little EQing needed, but you have that option. While they are ideal with top of the line mics and mic based pickups, on the Bose L1C/S1 Pro you can’t even adjust the Mid EQ (very little EQ in general depending on the channel) and there is no reverb/chorus. The Bose definitely preform better with an extra piece of equipment ala a mixer. Don’t forget Bose would have you buy one of their expensive matching mixers ($600-$800) so factor that into your comparison prices, or at least be honest and add on the cost of a decent 3rd party mixer. I don’t need the sub on the SA330x with my instrument so I much prefer that being optional and that makes for a ~25lb setup which I believe is the lightest and cheapest of the stick units that fits into a single bag.

Still though, we’re getting up there in the price range and with a few more doll hairs this new system from EV announced at NAMM may blow both the Fishman and Bose sticks out of the water. More power/volume (sometimes the Fishman/Bose just arnt enough), and a full built in digital mixer for remote EQ’ing yourself from across the room:

EV Evolve 30M https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...-speaker-black

In fairness, there’s no one size fits all and you need to be honest with what you require for your specific instruments, your specific needs, and prioritize what works best for the rooms you’re actually playing. Some people can’t or don’t want to lug 50lbs+ of gear, and I’ve read of a man on here that has owned them all and just uses the SA330x nine times out of ten because it’s so darn light, has a small footprint, quick to unpack out of a single bag, and he plugs directly in without even needing to wire up a mixer. If you can handle 44lbs though that new EV Evolve 30M would handle different rooms better and you can soundcheck yourself which to me as a solo artist is invaluable.


Edit: Oh no... or this new one from Peavy https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...3-column-array

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Old 01-21-2020, 12:16 AM
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I don't mind stretching my budget. One of the reason I was looking away from SA330 is that I would have to buy all the pieces and put them together. They don't have a package where they sell the PA, sub, expander and carrying case.

If I decide to get the L1c I will buy a used T1 tonematch as well. With a Tonematch I will be getting a lot more option than Fishman. Also I will be saving some money (Bose ~1350 vs Fishaman ~1600)

I checked out the links you sent me and they seem to be awesome. EV 30M (44 lbs) weight is manageable compared to Peavy (56.4 lbs). I think it's an oversight on EV's design that you have to plug in both extension pole to fit the speakers. In one of the videos they could not even mount the speaker because they had the sub sitting on a table (https://youtu.be/NYxY2SJyxA4?t=214). Awesome thing about Peavy is that you can split the speakers for a stereo setup.

I like the small footprint of L1c and that it has180 dispersion. I also like that I don't HAVE to use the extension pole. I mostly play at home parties and backyard parties (50-100 people). If I need more bass for playing music I guess I can always buy a Behringer sub.

Agree - there is no perfect solution. You just have to prioritize your options and compromise
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Old 01-21-2020, 05:58 AM
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How is the L1c for backing tracks or to play music (is the bass good enough)?

Also - Bose L1c was announced almost 11 yrs ago; I wonder when they will get updated.
The L1-Compact works fine for canned music in a small environment, I Bluetooth my phone into my S1-Pro, then line out to the L1-Compact from time to time. However, this is not what it's designed for. If you have a large room full of drunks and you are wanting to thump this is the wrong gear.

The Bose units are designed for 1 person to use with acoustics. Period. Everybody should have their own. Effects and eq-ing are your responsibility.

I don't even think it needs an upgrade, although you know it's coming. The Fender twin is how old?
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Old 01-21-2020, 03:06 PM
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I don't mind stretching my budget. One of the reason I was looking away from SA330 is that I would have to buy all the pieces and put them together. They don't have a package where they sell the PA, sub, expander and carrying case.
How about this?

https://www.fullcompass.com/prod/556...xoCWIEQAvD_BwE
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Old 01-21-2020, 04:24 PM
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The Bose units are designed for 1 person to use with acoustics. Period. Everybody should have their own.
I should have my own soundman, yet here I am.

They're certainly promoted that way but it's more necessary for some types of presentations, and Bose's, than others. I know of a local duo that plays a pretty hard-driving set with an electric guitar, acoustic, two vocals and all kinds of pedal effects through a L1 Compact at large-backyard house parties and while I wouldn't recommend it, it's almost tolerable.

Another local duo with a similar setup instrument/vocal wise, though more standard rock/pop/semi-bluesy covers, uses an L1 Model II and they sound great!
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Old 01-22-2020, 02:58 PM
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I don't even think it needs an upgrade, although you know it's coming. The Fender twin is how old?
I don't know much about PA systems but I think everyone can update their line of products and offer new tech. Lot of new PA systems have apps to control their system which is quite awesome. Kodak thought no one will stop using film too Sure, Bose have signature sound but other reputable companies are offering more features in similar products.
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Old 01-22-2020, 03:00 PM
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Thanks for the link. I am doing a lot of research and found out about Yamaha stagepas 1K. The only thing I don't like about the Yamaha is how they have the EQ (not a 3-band EQ). But everything else about the stagepas looks awesome. May be I will give this a try.

Does anyone have any experience with Yamaha Stagepas 1K?
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Old 01-22-2020, 05:13 PM
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The Bose units are designed for 1 person to use with acoustics. Period.
I use the Bose L1 Compact with my telecaster as well and it sounds great. I use a Joyo American Sound amp simulator for half of my setlists and its fantastic. I am a solo musician but its definitely not limited to only acoustic guitars.
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I use the Bose L1 Compact with my telecaster as well and it sounds great. I use a Joyo American Sound amp simulator for half of my setlists and its fantastic. I am a solo musician but its definitely not limited to only acoustic guitars.
My keyboard sounds darn good through the compact as well as my guitar.
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Old 01-25-2020, 06:01 AM
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I didn't mean it was limited to acoustic instruments, I use mine for canned music and all sorts of things.

I simply have no regrets for mine, just the way it is and feel sometimes quality is better than cheap gadgets, flashing lights and do dads...
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