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Next time I will leave the phone inside and make a video stream... to check what I am doing. Cuki
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Trance Amulet: Finally installing!
Having installed 2 trance systems in 3 guitars I can honestly say that Gary needs a better attachment method, or a way to make it less placement dependent, or at least quicker to identify mistakes. I'm an engineer, so I'm looking at this from a purely practical and mass acceptance perspective.
The temp tape is not adequate for the uninitiated to know if they got the placement right. It only works for people who know what to expect. I don't argue that the results are excellent once you get it right, but the average guitar player cannot do this installation. It's not that's its difficult, but it requires a level of patience and precision that most people simple do not have. Since it sounds so good, I've love to see them make is easier/faster to install so more people would use it. Even if they switched to an adhesive tape that fully cured in 15 minutes instead of 24 hours. Or, they could come up with an adjustable jig like K&K did. Once K&K included the jig with each pickup, I became an overnight "expert" at installing them. In order to do so, Gary might have to move the lead wires to the side of the pickup. Though, I suspect you could make a jig that avoided the leads. Then, if he had faster curing tape, you can use the K&K jig, and clamp for 15 minutes. You simply cannot wait two 12 hour periods to find out you got it wrong. It's not practical and it limits the potential sales tremendously.
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The Stewart-MacDonald Soundhole Deep-Throat C-Clamps have swivel clamping surfaces which, as long as the clamp is supported toward its rear-end, preclude stresses that could partially tilt the Amulet away from the guitar's bridgeplate. Folks, I'm not trying to mislead anyone, I've used these clamps to install Amulets.
Stewart-MacDonald Soundhole Clamps
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Secondly, I don't even really find that small changes in the placement of the transducers does anything. I moved my treble transducer from the jig installation to a good 2-3mm's towards the sound hole which is more than I would have liked and the high end sounds the same. I was expecting some warmth but I did not notice a change. What I hear with the treble transducers is that plinky, brittle high end that you would expect from a cheap acoustic. I can't dial it out. I know my guitar has a bright high end but this pickup makes it sounds cheap. Lastly, I have to be honest, with the K&K pure mini, when I plug it in I just hear my guitar. It's a lot warmer and I don't love that pickup but it does sound natural. I have one in my Larrivee. The Trance is nice but it definitely has a piezo tone to it that I hear almost immediately. I think this is just one time where I need to admit defeat. |
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After seeing all the processes you guys have gone through to install, listen, move transducers, optimize, wait 12 hours, try it again that much later, I am confident to say I will never try an Amulet.
And the thing is, I am VERY happy with my Baggs Anthem. I also had good sonic results with a K&K before, but it was more feedback prone. I have the Anthem's in both my Collings OM1A and OM2H MRG. They work great, and are very resistant to feedback. Maybe the Amulet is worth the agony, but it sure seems like a pain in the a** to get it right.
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In other words, all this experimenting and moving around isn't required - you're hearing from experimenters. The vast majority of people with any pickup take the guitar to a shop, have a pickup installed, and go home and plugin, never thinking about it again. The handful of people on this thread who are talking about this are tinkerers, the same kind of people who in another life might be rebuilding their car engines, or overclocking their PCs to get better game performance. It's fun, they're (we...) are looking for that last ounce of performance, and willing to spend the time to get it. But it's not required.
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Many people have reported sucess with super short clamping time... If you have a thin sound. Call Gary. Quote:
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I will see if I can correct that with an IR. Note that if you listen to Doug's post again. Moving to the soundhole adds air and somekind of "distance". It's not really warmer, less defined I'd say. However he did improved his Amulet tone since. Cuki
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A combination approach is to stick them in, press for a minute or two until your hand gets tired :-), then test it out. If it sounds good, add the clamps and let sit overnight. If not, re-position and try again. Certainly not the official recommended approach, but it should be fine and speed up the cycle.
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