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Tonedexter vs Behringer ADI21
Hi everyone,
Another comparison from me in a never-ending quest for a better live sound. In this test I asked myself a question, what the benefits are of using the Tonedexter in comparison to something as simple (and unbelievably cheap) as Behringer ADI21 (but any other preamp with some EQ would do). I was interested in a real-life performance of these two units rather than a studio, straight to an audio interface recording. So here is what I've done: My Gibson Hummingbird K&K pure mini equipped guitar was plugged into one of the preamps (Tonedexter or Behringer), then into a 10inch active speaker and this sound was recorded through a microphone. To make sure that the acoustic sound of the guitar doesn't bleed into the recording I played the guitar in a different room from where all the equipment was set up. There is no chance you can hear the acoustic sound in the audio clip, just what went through the speaker. The settings of the preamps: on the Tonedexter I selected my best sounding wavemap with character set at 0 and used Bass control to roll off some low frequencies. On the Behringer ADI21 I tweaked the EQ to get the best sound. There is no other processing other than some reverb (the same for both preamps) as this would be realistic in a live scenario. Firstly, can you tell which soundclip is the Tonedexter which one is the ADI21? Which sound do you like better? Which one do you think would work better at a gig? The second preamp starts at 1:15 UPDATE: In my post #32 of this thread there is a better (and fairer) audio clip of those two preamps. Last edited by Monsum; 08-19-2018 at 06:13 AM. |
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I'm going to guess the opposite BUT I really hope you are correct because I liked the first set better and I already have an ADI21.
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To my ear both sound really good and not very different. Maybe I should only be allowed to play plywood guitars...
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Tonedexter vs Behringer ADI21
I think the bigger question is how close to your guitars acoustic sound does your amplified sound need to be? Will the audience hear the difference or even care? IMO the audience wants to hear music, they don’t care if you’re playing a Taylor, Martin or Emerald.
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I liked the first set far better. My hope after all the hype of the ToneDexter is that is the first set. Anyway, sounded better to me.
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The first set sounded far better to me. Not sure which is which, but I lean towards the first set being the Behringer. That's my go-to preamp and I have been happy with it.
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Humble opinion
The first set sounded clearer and more live than the second.
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While I also like the first set better in this special case I want to say I had an ADI21 and gave it away for free. I have the ToneDexter and think it is a much much better piece of gear. It may not work with every guitar/pickup combination thou. Also sometimes it is easy to make a good wavemap and sometimes it is hard work.
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I agree with you that both sound pretty good but I expected the Tonedexter with its cutting-edge technology to be much better. |
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An uninspiring sound through an amp or PA doesn't help me to enjoy the playing. |
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To reveal the order of preamps in the audioclip for those interested: the first one is Behringer ADI21 and the second one Tondexter.
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And that wavemap recorded above is one of the best. I don't know what else I can try. |
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I do not care for the tone generated by the Tonedexter at all. Why not just use the Behringer and sell the Tonedexter? Honestly, I'm shocked at the stark difference in tone quality (IMHO).
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I respect your point but your job is to put on a performance for the audience and that is where your focus should be. Forget about yourself, get lost in the music and give a great performance! In a perfect world you would perform with your best equipment in an acoustically tuned environment. But that world doesn’t exist for 99.999% of gigs. Many moons ago I was on vacation with friends at a bar and the folk act didn’t show. Long story short my guitar “miraculously appeared” and my friends drank for free as long as I played. Crappy guitar, lousy amplification but very one had a good time including me.
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Quick question, what speaker did you use here? I see it's a 10" active but it sounds good.
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