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And sure...we as players can tell, and our musician friends and fellow players and guitar nerds can tell...but the general public/audience...nope...they really can't. That doesn't mean that it's wrong to want to play a fine guitar, so you can sound and play your very best for people, it just means what Paul said initially, that your audience will be equally happy either way. duff Be A Player...Not A Polisher Last edited by mcduffnw; 05-22-2018 at 09:43 AM. Reason: add content |
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I think as fitness1Todd {;-)...said, the market is just really really soft right now, and that makes it extra tough on luthiers who are in a sort of niche market, like Bill is, as he sort of "rides on the coattails" of JT and James Olson's SJ design. It is really kind of sad to see such fine guitars at such GREAT prices struggle to sell, and even not sell out on the huge open market that is ebay. Maybe Bill would have better luck over on Reverb, where I get the sense that a fair percentage of the buying public over there is more tuned into world of boutique and luthier made guitars. Still...you see sooooooo many super great guitars languishing out here in the AGF Classified section, and all the other guitar forums as well, that you can't help but see that the market is really really slack, and I don't see that changing anytime in the next 5+ years...or longer...at least until "Guitar Centric/Guitar God" music and musicians climb back up over Rap, Hip Hop, EDM, and Party Pop...i.e. Miley, Katy Perry...and re-claim the top of the music charts and airwaves again. Even then...the huge swell of people/population that was we, The Baby Boomer Generation, has not yet been repeated, and may not be for some time...if ever again. So the guitar market may wind up being leaner and meaner forever going forward. duff Be A Player...Not A Polisher |
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I was wrong on the reserve, as one of them did sell just above the opening bid. Seems to me someone got a new guitar at (or at least not much above) a used guitar price. That may become the norm and new prices may have to come down to close that gap. We will see I guess.
FWIW, the guitars I see that routinely and easily sell at top dollar are either by a very few current builders or they are original/high condition vintage guitars. The vintage guitars don't have to be perfect, but they have to be mostly original. Wear brings the price down, but not desirability. Priced according to condition, worn examples sell as quickly as near mint ones. |
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There is a local performer that I have listened to who is amazing and has talent far above what mine is. He was playing an all laminate guitar and it sounded amazing when I was in the audience. After, I asked him if I could strum a few chords with it and it sounded crappy. I'm telling you playing a guitar and listening to someone else play are to completely different animals. |
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While I think that having these super high end guitars doesn’t really seem to make a huge difference in tone, I think it does more than we may think.
I remember when I was a little kid, maybe 6 or 7, I loved James Taylor’s guitar sound. I didn’t play or know anything- as I was 6 or 7. But there was always something about his tone that I liked. I loved Jim Croce’s music, at the same time, but I didn’t like his guitar sound. I don’t think the average person would be able to sit and say, “Ooooh, sounds like a Charis SJ.” But I do believe there is something a little less tangible that occurs when people hear good tone. I mean, if we couldn’t subconsciously tell, why would we record with Neumanns and why not use SM57s to mic everything? I truly think there is something subconscious that we hear in these situations. With all that said, you’ll usually just sound as good as your weakest link. An Olson mic’d with a Neumann playing through a set of Community speakers is likely going to sound like a set of Community speakers. |
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Jojo, there is actually a tangible, audible, perceptible difference in the tonal quality. Not only a fullness, richness, fuller palette that even a casual listener can hear and comment on. Not as much when amplifying but unmistakable when heard acoustically. In addition, the construction, the detail, and (again) richness in the construction is obvious far more in person than through photos. When I say richness in construction over a $5,000-$8,000 factory guitar, I don’t mean quality but detail. When a single-builder, or very small 2-3 person, shop has been around 20-30 years and developed a style and quality, it is hard to match from even a factory custom shop. When you get what you pay for, not just an over-hyped release, like with a Martin authentic, Ryan, Charis, Kinnaird, Olson....... you get a real work of art that transcends the sum of its parts and a sound/tonal quality that the average listener may not be able to put their finger on but they will know it is different. My opinion is that anyone that doesn’t recognize that difference has either never heard or felt a remarkable high-end guitar, or they don’t understand/care about the difference. That too is fine but there really is a great difference between a good guitar and an exceptional guitar.
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Couple of brand new Charis at incredible prices!
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Trust me... you’re not going to get anyone to agree on the value of a high quality guitar more than me. I have owned a number of guitars over the years in the $400-12,000 range and I’m a believer in you get what you pay for. My whole point is that most people do not necessarily know why one would sound better than the other. But there is total value to it. As well, I think a lot of the value comes in playability and feel as well, something that the listener doesn’t necessarily get to appreciate. |
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Agree entirely.
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I have only played two Charis guitars but both were an inspiration.
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I don't profess to know much about wood except after its made into a guitar I can tell if it's special. This set of Sapele is as gorgeous as any guitar wood I've ever held. It is also as special sounding as any Brazilian Rosewood I own or have played. I would be completely unable to understand any reservation about Sapele - assuming the guitar it's on sounds great.
This is as good as wood gets. This is what it looks like unfinished. CHR_2987e (1).jpg Chr_2424s.jpg Last edited by DenverSteve; 06-09-2018 at 11:29 PM. |