New TONEDEXTER Video !!!

[midwinter]

Reserved mine!

[Cuki79]

Originally Posted by MikeCH

US only

I'm counting on the AGF classifieds;-)

hi MikeCH,

I can make an IR if you want. I don't know if my IR are as good as the tonedexter's but at least it is free
( see http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/f...d.php?t=448436 en the folowing developpement of the IR)

even if tone dexter could reach Europe it would probably coast 40% more in €.

Cuki

Note for the Tonedexter defenders: I am not discouraging people to buy tonedexter's pedal, if I've lived in the US I'd be among the first to buy one (at least to see how they handled the high end problem). I just want to help MikeCH who I believe is Swiss and is then almost a neighbour for me.)

[gfsark]

Wowzers! I want one. But currently I can't justify the expense (totally reasonable price IMO) because getting the ultimate live acoustic sound must take a back seat to a bunch of other musical projects I've got going, especially setting up a recording studio. And I need a better mic, etc...

Can ToneDexter be tricked into reproducing my acoustic guitar sound on my electric guitar? Or vice-versa? I suspect that it has the intrinsic ability because it's able to take one tone and modify/transform into another tone. Problem would be synchronizing the notes from the plugged-in electric with the mic'd acoustic. That appears a solvable problem, and would push ToneDexter into a handy DIY modeler/synthesizer. But I'm sure they have plenty to do without adding that to their to-do lists.

I'm going to NAMM next week and will stop by and check it out.

[Cuki79]

I would say no.

Or you need a robot to play exactly the same on the guitar at the same time. Your request has been the subject of countless scientific articles and Ph.D. Manuscripts. So yes you can do it with deconvolution/ convolution but it requires work. Not just the pedal.

Note that making an acoustic sound electric is doable. Making an standard electric guitar sound like an acoustic is harder because of the comb filtering effect due to magnetic pickups. Unless you have piezo pickup on your electric for example...

If you have further question it deserves a thread on its own.

Note that the easiest way to sound like an electric with an acoustic is to use a soundhole magnetic pickup (a bad one)

cuki

[Shoreline Music]

Originally Posted by MikeCH

US only

I'm counting on the AGF classifieds;-)

Or wait until they start selling through dealers (hopefully soon).

[martingitdave]

Originally Posted by Cuki79

I would say no.

Or you need a robot to play exactly the same on the guitar at the same time. Your request has been the subject of countless scientific articles and Ph.D. Manuscripts. So yes you can do it with deconvolution/ convolution but it requires work. Not just the pedal.

Note that making an acoustic sound electric is doable. Making an standard electric guitar sound like an acoustic is harder because of the comb filtering effect due to magnetic pickups. Unless you have piezo pickup on your electric for example...

If you have further question it deserves a thread on its own.

Note that the easiest way to sound like an electric with an acoustic is to use a soundhole magnetic pickup (a bad one)

cuki

Good point. The Line 6 modeling technology and Variax uses individual piezos for each saddle. I bought one and it's pretty wild stuff.


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[Cuki79]

Originally Posted by martingitdave

Good point. The Line 6 modeling technology and Variax uses individual piezos for each saddle.

Exactly. Martingitdave is right. The best way is the Roland GK-3 / Line6 way.

If you can address each string the comb filtering effect can be handled as soon as you have a fast enough note-detection algorithm.

Tonedexter does not provide that. Tonedexter is basically a Fishman Aura with the ability to make your own image with their proprietary algorithm and for 399$ I think they have the correct price for the market.

People who ordered one, do you mind if you try my algorithm too? I am curious to know how my algorithm compares to Tonedexter's... it is pure curiosity and bit of pride too (I know it's bad). It would arm noone since I don't sell any product.

All the operations can be done remotely. You just have to send me wav files.

[Cuki79]

Originally Posted by gfsark

Can ToneDexter be tricked into reproducing my acoustic guitar sound on my electric guitar? Or vice-versa?

Fender did something like that already


A telecaster with onboard Fishman aura

Originally Posted by Shoreline Music

Or wait until they start selling through dealers (hopefully soon).

Do Shoreline Music ship to France? I may then be able to satisfy my curiosity... (I must be crazy to buy stuff just to plug it to an Arbitrary Waveform generator and an Oscilloscope...).

Cuki

[MikeCH]

Thanks for the offer, I'll see.
Are there any pedals that can load and process IRs for a live setup?
I think one of the fishman Auras could do that, but I'm not sure (should probably google myself, don't want to hijack this thread).

Originally Posted by Cuki79

hi MikeCH,

I can make an IR if you want. I don't know if my IR are as good as the tonedexter's but at least it is free
( see http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/f...d.php?t=448436 en the folowing developpement of the IR)

even if tone dexter could reach Europe it would probably coast 40% more in €.

Cuki

Note for the Tonedexter defenders: I am not discouraging people to buy tonedexter's pedal, if I've lived in the US I'd be among the first to buy one (at least to see how they handled the high end problem). I just want to help MikeCH who I believe is Swiss and is then almost a neighbour for me.)

[Cuki79]

* Logidy EPSI (200$ 1.5s IR with 1.04ms latency, stereo, 44.1kHz, 24bits)
* AMT Pangea (200$ 0.0205s IR mono, 48 kHz, 24 bits)
* AMT Pangea FX (?500$ 0.085s IR mono, 48 kHz, 24 bits)
* Torpedo cabs (various models with different specs, one goes to 96KHz) no pedal format
* Line 6 Helix ( 0.042s IR)

I like the EPSI pedal, it seems to be a very small US company, maybe a one man company. But they do ship to Europe and Australia.

Do anyone know how long are the Tonedexter IRs?
Do anyone know what is the latency the Tonedexter? (You can't hear that on a youtube video)

I once asked, got no answer.

I've got a Fishman Aura pedal and I always felt there were some kind of latency (...may be it's me)

[James May]

Glad to see folks talking about ToneDexter again. We are excited to be presenting a product we believe will knock most people's socks off.

Latency is less than 1ms.

[NoodleFingers]

Originally Posted by James May

Glad to see folks talking about ToneDexter again. We are excited to be presenting a product we believe will knock most people's socks off.

Latency is less than 1ms.

Hi James!

The only reason we weren't talking is because there wasn't anything to talk about. You guys were pretty quiet.

I'm delighted to see that you were able to knock $500 off the price—I'm more than happy to live without a few of the bells and whistles at the new price point. I wish I could come to NAMM to check it out.

A few questions, if you don't mind:

1) How many wave maps can the new unit store?

2) Will the new unit also accommodate an SD card for software updates?

3) Does the new unit still feature the effects loop, headphone out, and DI out?

4) What does the dial in the upper right do?

5) How much gain does the boost switch supply?

Thanks for coming back here. I'm looking forward to getting mine.

[Cuki79]

Originally Posted by James May

Latency is less than 1ms.

WOW! That's impressive. For other readers
Universal Audio Apollo has 1.2ms latency when processing plugins with the onboard SHARC DSPs.
http://www.uaudio.com/blog/apollo-faq/

A TC Electronic A-Nova delay pedal is announced to have 1.65ms latency (measured to 1.2ms by a guy on the gearpae forum).
On the net some people roughly evaluate the latency of the eventide H9 to be between 2 and 5ms

On the presonus website you can read

The analog-to-digital and digital-to-analog converters in an audio interface also have latency, as do their buffers. This latency can range from 0.2 to 1.5 ms, depending on the quality of the converters.

see https://www.presonus.com/community/L...-Audio-Latency


So you have some fast converters there!! Can't wait to measure that.

I want to add few questions. Since the tonedexter has a mic and pickup channel:

* Can it also be used as a Two channel-Blender preamp/Mixer?
=> Once we have the IR, some one could plug a mic in the mic channel to sing along. I would definitely buy that
* Can the Tonedexter be used as an audio-interface (since it has everything it needs in the box)
* Can the Tonedexter be used a Cab simualtor/convolution reverb pedal. Put it sipmly: can we upload our own IRs!!!! Then we could use it with electric guitars for example. The Line 6 Helix enables that for example
* On the technical aspects what are
- The preamp signal to noise ratio
- the dynamic of the preamps
- what is the maximum gain the mic preamp provides. Some of us have picky microphones as far as preamp are concerned.

I don't expect Grace Design quality but it would be great if it's not too noisy and have enough gain on the mic channels. Some people have been complaining about the gain stage of the JBL eon one for example and this pedal would solve two problems at once if we could use it to have corrected guitar sound and vocal mic in a single package.

Cuki

[James May]

Originally Posted by NoodleFingers

Hi James!
...
A few questions, if you don't mind:

1) How many wave maps can the new unit store?

2) Will the new unit also accommodate an SD card for software updates?

3) Does the new unit still feature the effects loop, headphone out, and DI out?

4) What does the dial in the upper right do?

5) How much gain does the boost switch supply?

Thanks for coming back here. I'm looking forward to getting mine.

We have been busy getting this product ready for production, and NAMM later this week. I hope to have the website updated soon, and it will include specs and details about the new ToneDexter. In the meantime, I'll answer some of the basic questions.

1. 10 WaveMaps, selectable with the 11 position rotary switch. Position 0 is currently reserved for bypass.
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. upper right control is pickup gain level set. The knob below it is the WaveMap selector.
5. boost is 0-8dB settable with the rear panel pot

James

[NoodleFingers]

Originally Posted by James May

We have been busy getting this product ready for production, and NAMM later this week. I hope to have the website updated soon, and it will include specs and details about the new ToneDexter. In the meantime, I'll answer some of the basic questions.

1. 10 WaveMaps, selectable with the 11 position rotary switch. Position 0 is currently reserved for bypass.
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. upper right control is pickup gain level set. The knob below it is the WaveMap selector.
5. boost is 0-8dB settable with the rear panel pot

James

Sweet. So the only things missing from the ToneDexter PRO you showed last year are 6 WaveMaps, the monitor out, and the parametric EQ, right?

I'll take that deal all day long.