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There is absolutely a difference with Emerald woody tops! They sound totally better to my eyes!
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And there you have it!
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BTW, I never referred to Ted at all. I referred to ALL comments--"posts"--plural. For some reason you seemed to be reading something extra into what I wrote. If someone else has two current, identical Emeralds, with and without veneer, that they can sit down and play one after the other and then post in this thread---other than benderman57--I, of course, would personally be happy to give their comments equal weight with benderman57. |
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Since I've got a woody on the way, I'm very interested in this thread. So, thanks to all of you who have offered comments and especially those who have played both. I look forward to hearing for myself in a few months.
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I'd wager different strings would affect tone more than the wood veneer.
I've got an X-20 non-woody and I'm awaiting the arrival of an X-7 woody soon. I never gave the woody top a second thought in terms of altering the tone. |
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I hope you'll tell us all about that X-7 woody when it arrives! |
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Yo, The Mot:
I appreciate your generous offer to use my possible woody in your scientific analysis. However, I count my woody (if I get one) as a personal matter and not subject to dissection. I do wait with bated breath to hear the results of your stunning study. You have to wonder, how many people are willing to give up their woodies for public scrutiny? Well, maybe the more experienced one. The show-offs who know how to play. They are pretty proud of their woodies and I think I would be, too, if just had one. I'm talking with Alistair now. |
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Sean mentioned this thread to me and I thought it would be useful to bring some clarification to the table.
Firstly the veneers we use are very thin and are actually fused to the surface of the carbon during the moulding process. Under Vacuum the resin penetrates right into every pore of the veneer at the same time as it penetrates the carbon fibres and this stabilises the veneer and prevents future movement during temperature and humidity changes. We alter the top structure slightly to balance out the extra veneer and keep the weight and stiffness the same as on an all-carbon guitar. Now on the question of tone, yes there are some differences but they are subtle. If I were to do a blind test of 10 of my guitars I could hear subtle differences from one to the other, but If you asked me to choose which were carbon and which had a veneer I fear I would not be able to accurately make that call. In general on a direct side by side test I would probably say that the woody is a bit warmer brought about by a reduction in some mid frequencies. As someone mentioned earlier, string type would have a much more fundamental effect on tone than the veneer choice. On the question of Opus and Artisan there is no difference as they are moulded exactly the same way using the same materials and there is the same type and amount of top coat finish applied but in the case of the textured Crystal Ice finish we just have a different method of application. Also to clarify one last point, The mention of Gloss Vs Raw finish relates to CA Guitars not Emerald. We don't do a Raw carbon finish. There will always be subtle differences between instruments even of the same model, but I think in the carbon world those differences are far smaller than in the wood world. Im always glad to bring clarification to any questions you may have. Maybe we should start a thread of FAQ's and you guys can quiz me directly Hope this helps Alistair |
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Alistair's quite some CEO ain't he ?
I'm hoping Chris Martin may still join in and settle the "Martin neck woods clarification" discussion, over in the general section. |
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Alistair Rocks! Thanks!
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Alistair, thanks for confirming my comments on this.
Jon, what exactly do you need from Chris that hasn't been answered? It has been explained by Martins wood buyer, as well as a number of Martin enthusiasts, Martin uses Genuine Mahogany for the necks, but reserves the right to substitute other woods like Spanish Cedar at their discretion. BTW, Spanish Cedar is what was used on all those vintage guitars selling for hundreds of thousands of dollars, so good stuff. |