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Old 01-30-2014, 08:17 PM
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Maybe we need to re-think how instructors are instructing.
Some instructors come from a mindset of "there is more than one way to skin a cat" Others come from "its my way, or the highway"
I think our friend Segovia was of the latter philosophy.

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Old 01-30-2014, 10:12 PM
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To me Segovia was like those conductors of symphonic orchestras who people will remember. If you have ever see rehearsals of these orchestras you could realize how "difficult" people these conductors were.There were no ifs or buts, there was no democracy, not pat on the back. Musicians recognized the authority of the conductor and followed his lead.

People must understand that Segovia didn't teach to beginners and in the highest level there is no crying.
Surely when you are a beginner you want the nicest teacher but when you reach the highest level you want as your teacher the best performer.

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Old 04-16-2014, 08:27 PM
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People must understand that Segovia didn't teach to beginners and in the highest level there is no crying.
Surely when you are a beginner you want the nicest teacher but when you reach the highest level you want as your teacher the best performer.
Not all performers can teach, even if they happen to be the best performer. Segovia appeared to be demanding imitation from his students and imitation is not learning.
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Old 04-16-2014, 09:19 PM
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Not all performers can teach, even if they happen to be the best performer. Segovia appeared to be demanding imitation from his students and imitation is not learning.
If you want to play like your guitar hero you ll have to learn his way , i dont like the word imitate cos every guitarist has his own tone. If you have your own ideas how to play (fingerings, dynamics etc) dont take lessons from him ,you dont need them.
Here is a masterclass from Odair Assad
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Old 04-17-2014, 07:54 AM
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On the other hand, as with all things, it's crucial to get as much information and as many perspectives as possible to make the most informed decisions.
Then again, I don't really have a guitar hero, per say!
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Old 01-19-2019, 03:47 AM
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Good for John Williams, setting the record straight.

http://www.theguardian.com/music/201...s-segovia-snob
I agree, but I wonder who and what will write about John Williams, for example, in 25 years?
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Old 01-20-2019, 08:24 AM
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I agree, but I wonder who and what will write about John Williams, for example, in 25 years?
My hunch is that Segovia saw Barrios as a potential rival and feared his talent.

Also, Spaniards have a history of looking down on Latin Americans, even more so if they have native-American DNA.
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Old 01-20-2019, 09:24 AM
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Way back in the mid-1970s, early in my classical guitar studies, I had the good fortune to play for the Peruvian guitarist and Barrios specialist Jesus Benites. He gave me an encouraging critique of the Bach prelude I had played for him then recommended several Barrios pieces and Etudes. He followed up with a scathing indictment of Segovia claiming he sabotaged Barrios's attempts to tour Europe in the 1920s and 1930s. Although Williams doesn't confirm the accusations made by Benites his assessment of Segovia lends credibility to them.
That said, I do admire several aspects of Segovia's technique. He had an amazingly broad tonal pallet and a wonderful ability to create magical moments combining rubato and a delicious vibrato, especially in the Spanish repertoire.
P.S. I did learn the pieces suggested by Benites and consider The Cathedral to be a modern masterpiece!
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Old 01-20-2019, 10:03 AM
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Segovia elevated the status of the guitar, made important repertory contributions and advance guitar technique but he had serious character failings. Among these are bigotry, arrogance and selfishness.
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