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I recorded a video with my iPhone yesterday of the Ultra Tonic Pickup with Tone Dexter. I feel the TD works best with SBT's as they have a more natural sound that UST's.
I think this is the best live sound I have ever had. The TD was on a slight blend but then I changed the K8.2 preset to Vocals/Guitar which removed some of the excess based caused by the speaker being in the corner for the room and I used the TD blend on focus 1 and added a 2db treble boost from the TD. Last edited by AeroUSA; 03-05-2018 at 12:16 PM. |
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As you know, James May, my guitar is in the shop to install my first UT and I do use the TD. I'm curious, since the TD has smart multi-frequency anti-feedback based on % of engagement across all of my guitar's high frequencies, might that dictate how I set the switches on the UT? I do love my bass on my often down-tuned jumbo. I would think that I'd err on the side of more bass (less counter bass) from the UT's bass crystal and allow the TD to engage as needed to pick up the slack. Thoughts, James?
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Old thread! I guess I've been selling the Ultra Tonic for awhile now.
My thoughts are this: Even if you love lots of bass, you don't want excessive low end resonances to muddy up the bottom and cause feedback. The amount of this will vary dramatically from instrument to instrument. The more flexible and resonant the top, the more of this issue you're going to have. Yes, ToneDexter can tame those low end hot spots that the mic gives you, relative to the pickup. But it can't take them down below what the pickup has to start with. So for that reason, I believe an Ultra Tonic will always work better than a K&K. If you are worried that you won't have enough bass with the Ultra Tonic, you can adjust how much of the anti-feedback sensor you mix in. All the way from too much to not enough.
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I’m a BIG fan of just right! And it’s pretty darn easy to get it -
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I've got two self-installed UltraTonic 3.2 systems in my dreadnought guitars, a Martin D-18 and a Larrivee D-03, and once adjusted, I hear them as sounding Mighty Fine! Although I've also got a ToneDexter I haven't tried the UltraTonic 3.2 systems with it as of yet.
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Have there been any other changes since the introduction of the original Ultra Tonic? Frank |
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James, so does that mean that the TD Notch only addresses frequencies on the wavemaped ch 02 and not on the pickup channel 00 and 01?
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The smart notch control on ToneDexter is very useful, but it has limits. Here are some points to help clarify: • ToneDexter hears the difference between the pickup and the mic’d up guitar. • In almost all cases the mic hears more of the troublesome low end resonances that can cause feedback than the pickup does. • Therefore, the WaveMap that is created will add those resonances to your pickup sound. You want most of these, it’s what makes the guitar sound like a guitar. But the low ones can be problematic. The smart feedback control will allow you to dial out as much of those as needed, to avoid feedback. • In the case of an UST, it has very few of the resonances, so ToneDexter will allow you dial out all the extra low-end resonance that the mic adds, all the way back to the flat low-end pickup sound. • In the case of a K&K, there are usually too much of the low end resonances in the pickup sound to start with. A WaveMap will clean this up to some degree, and totally transform the sound into something very close to the mic. In this case it won’t add as much of those low-end resonances, depending of course on mic position. • However, ToneDexter’s smart feedback control can only take out the ‘extra’ stuff that the mic heard during training. It can’t take out more than that. At least with the current software. • In the case of an Ultra Tonic, if properly adjusted, you won’t have too much to start with. Then, ToneDexter can work its mic magic and the smart feedback control will be optimum for all situations.
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I meant the ch 0, 1, 2 that shows when moving the Character knob. I think you answered the main question.
I understand that the TD Notch takes-out only from what the mic put in to the wavemap, and doesn't make the pick-up only signal better. So, if I don't take-out enough high resonance bass frequencies with the UT dip switches, the TD notch won't be able to remove them later and I'll still have feedback. Thanks a ton.
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CH stands for Character, not Channel.
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The UT dip switch setting is actually quite easy, and getting a good bass signal without feedback hasn’t been a problem. So, maybe I’m confused? Are you saying you want feedback from your pickup, and use a wavemap or a notch to eliminate it? Maybe there’s a way to make a wavemap with feedback in it?
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I had the Ultra Installed installed in my Breedlove and I'm quite amazed. The sound is rich, woody, fast, balanced and tons of feedback resistance even at DIP 10-- everything James May claims. I loved it all by itself. But, I couldn't stop there. Adding the Tone Dexter smooths it out and adds control from punchy and focused to mellow and all sorts of blends plus whatever you can manufacture with microphone choices and methods. It's better than 'acoustic but louder.' It's just plainly awesome!! I am outrageously satisfied, motivated to play more, and love how it sounds. Ahhhhhh delight!!!!
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