Simple Taylor V-Class "test" / compare?

[tippy5]

Originally Posted by ClayDots

BTW, minor part? Without volume and sustain you literally have ZERO dynamics, zero "feel", no? Not so minor my friend. Without volume and sustain, isn't there just mechanical harmony left? I hope in fact volume and sustain are a major part of your music!

Love this!

Give me a huge, wide range of dynamics. I can tame a squirrly box with my right hand and periodically burrow deep when called for.

[KevWind]

When one steps back from the fray these threads are kind of humorous if a bit circular in how they evolve.

[jhmulkey]

Originally Posted by jkilgour2000

Is there a “beating the dead horse” meme for the overuse of a “beating the dead horse” meme?

Exactly. It's become a passive-aggressive way of saying you think you should be able to control what people talk about. Otherwise, they would post it on nearly every new thread, because most topics have been discussed over and over again (because, you know, it's a discussion forum . . . go figure).

[DukeX]

Originally Posted by tippy5

I can tame a squirrly box with my right hand...

Tippy, that is a great line!

It should go in your sig.

[moncher]

I'm a Tesla (car) enthusiast and have been for about 4-5 years. They're all we own, and I have participated in their forums since we owned our first one 4 years ago. I see so many parallels in these discussions with the ones we have on the Tesla forums. Tesla doesn't do model years. The car you buy today might be sold with a new feature tomorrow. There is significant hype/marketing spin around features. People often talk about immediate obsolescence when they buy their car and find out that now there is a tweak here or there.

Does this sound familiar? There are inherent risks to innovation - you risk alienating owners who are accustomed to model stability, you risk doing something that might not service or age well, etc. However, the upside to that risk is that you just might improve on the current state of things. I have never been a believer that anything is "as good as it gets." We always can do better.

So back to the Tesla analogy - My 2014 Model S is, by Tesla standards, "obsolete." It doesn't have the autopilot features, it barely got parking sensors and doesn't have the coverage of other cars, it has the old fascia. But I love it. It's still my car, it's a joy to drive, and the fact that Tesla has improved on the design doesn't mean that mine is suddenly worthless. It's still fantastic.

I assume that if indeed the v-class bracing is a marginal improvement over the x-bracing, previous owners of Taylor guitars will feel the same way I feel about my car. When something speaks to you and fits, it's always going to be great. Only people chasing the unattainable "forever best" will find a way to be dissatisfied.

All that said, I'm about to pull the trigger on a 814ce DLX V-class. I am under no impression that my purchase will somehow change the voicing of everyone else's 814ce in their homes. Those guitars are going to be just as great as they were when purchased.

Just my newbie 2c.

[Jambi]

Originally Posted by ClayDots

Where'd you get that from? ... I said exactly the opposite, totally agreeing with you.

Such polarity!

My apologies, I must have missed your point. I'll go read your initial post again.

[printer2]

Originally Posted by moncher

Old fascia.

How can you live with yourself?

[wisedennis]

Good post

Originally Posted by moncher

I'm a Tesla (car) enthusiast and have been for about 4-5 years. They're all we own, and I have participated in their forums since we owned our first one 4 years ago. I see so many parallels in these discussions with the ones we have on the Tesla forums. Tesla doesn't do model years. The car you buy today might be sold with a new feature tomorrow. There is significant hype/marketing spin around features. People often talk about immediate obsolescence when they buy their car and find out that now there is a tweak here or there.

Does this sound familiar? There are inherent risks to innovation - you risk alienating owners who are accustomed to model stability, you risk doing something that might not service or age well, etc. However, the upside to that risk is that you just might improve on the current state of things. I have never been a believer that anything is "as good as it gets." We always can do better.

So back to the Tesla analogy - My 2014 Model S is, by Tesla standards, "obsolete." It doesn't have the autopilot features, it barely got parking sensors and doesn't have the coverage of other cars, it has the old fascia. But I love it. It's still my car, it's a joy to drive, and the fact that Tesla has improved on the design doesn't mean that mine is suddenly worthless. It's still fantastic.

I assume that if indeed the v-class bracing is a marginal improvement over the x-bracing, previous owners of Taylor guitars will feel the same way I feel about my car. When something speaks to you and fits, it's always going to be great. Only people chasing the unattainable "forever best" will find a way to be dissatisfied.

All that said, I'm about to pull the trigger on a 814ce DLX V-class. I am under no impression that my purchase will somehow change the voicing of everyone else's 814ce in their homes. Those guitars are going to be just as great as they were when purchased.

Just my newbie 2c.

[cliff_the_stiff]

Originally Posted by zmf

Where to put the hay. That's good. These analogies must take considerable time to develop.

Your first post? Hmmm. Andy? Bob? Is that you?

That’s funny- The analogies used to be way harder to come up with back in the day- these days the materials are way better....

[Dbone]

Originally Posted by ClayDots

So I bought a 914ce with V-Bracing. Have it a week. Just a beautiful and great sounding guitar, no doubt.

You know, when the automobile came out, there were people who hated it and couldn't find where to put the hay! They continued to buy horse and buggy until not.

Same thing with smart phones. (I remember this, not the horse and buggy).

If you own a previous year, you will by human nature justify and love it. You're familiar, they sound and play fantastically, and you spent $4000 on it! This is nearly fact. (The 614, 714, and 814 are now out.)

The new approach is not intended to kill the value of all previous years, nor drive those owners to unload their guitar for the new one.

Either Taylor is a bold faced liar, just flat out spreading total crap, or, it's good. Why would the numero uno, make the corporate decision to spread crap ... they were doing great, no need for desperation on any level.

Come on folks. It is better, within the intended scope. When you're ready for a new guitar, you'll consider it. You're x brace is super nice. Don't sweat it.

I can tell you my new guitar is also super nice. It just sounds great. I find that the notes in chords up and down the neck are very much in tune, and I checked with a chromatic tuner, not that it's precise nor sensitive enough to discern the harmonics per se.

Also, notes and chords seem to ring on quite long, everywhere on the neck similarly.

The "test":
I did my best to strum the six strings standard tuning and make them ring as long as I could. Harder softer, neck, bridge, just looking for the best I could get. Seems to max out at about 20 seconds to the last little bit.

Not scientific but easy to do. Maybe we'll see a trend if other do this.

BTW, I use Elixir Custom Lights, .11 to .52.

This is an interesting post. Not really sure what to say other than the following: There are some that do not agree with you. Not even in the slightest.

Having said this, you’re entitled to your opinion.

Did you just compare acoustic guitars to cell phones?

Enjoy your Taylor sir. Not that you’ll probably even see this.