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Question about Art tube preamp
I just ordered an Art tube preamp to warm up vocals for my existing mic,a sure 57a beta. I ordered this to try before buying a new mic. I intend to use this straight to my Bose L1 compact. My question is, where would I place in my normal chain if I want to include this in my other set up? I usually plug guitar and mic into my Tc Helcion Harmony singer, and then to my Rcf L Pad 6 channel mixer and then to my Bose. I am new to this and need advice for correct set up. Thanks.
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You will have three, perhaps four, gain stages for your vocal mic. Using correct gain staging will be necessary.
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OK, see but what order of the chain?
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Thank you for clarification
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Probably not the answer you want to hear but the mic pre will not make that much difference. It starts with the vocalist. If you have good technique and a good voice you're most of the way there. The mic will make a much bigger difference then the preamp assuming you are a decent singer.
Are you monitoring with the Bose as well? That system doesn't have the most power or clarity. Not to dis it but I used the bigger system for years and found that lacking as well after 5 years with it. The compact is really a coffee house speaker. In a small room you'll get by. The ART (which I have had for years) will just be an extra step You will get better results as suggested by gain staging properly and monitoring. |
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My full set up was, guitar and mic (Sure 57a beta) harmony singer, mixer with effects , to 2 - 10" Carvin powered speakers on stands and my little Roland ac33 as monitor. Too much stuff for me. Settling for the Bose, and mic and the art preamp for quick simple set up in small rooms. If the Art doesn't help, then I will look at different mics.
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Doesn't the compact already have a mic input and instrument input? The ART is an ok preamp, but nothing special. It's only going to give you some gain. Don't think that the placebo tube will do much. You still need a wall wart with the ART. You might just be better off eating one of those small micro mixers.
I have a couple of higher end preamp's that I use in my studio and all things being equal the mic is always the most drastic improvement. My Royer mic through my cheap Mackie preamps will sound way better than my 57 through my Great River ME-1NV preamp. Hey, try the ART, maybe it will be just the thing. |
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I am trying to avoid using my mixer. The compact just has XLR for mic with bass and treble only, and a 1/4 guitar input. Each channel has separate volume. no master volume.
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That's a bit limiting. Mic selection can be very important. When I used the original Bose PAS I usually found just adding a touch of treble helped.My voice is on the dark side though. You kind of need to play with it at home standing in front of it if possible. That system can be a little challenging as placement in some rooms is often less than ideal. If you're too close the sub woofer it will cancel some of the high end and your sound will "seem" dark but not in the audience.
The ART is decent but it really won't warm things up all that much in my experience. I have 2 other mic preamp's a Summit Audio and Groove Tubes Brick and they will add a bit more girth. A mixer with decent EQ will be a better bet than the subtlety of a mic pre. You can probably make it work with what you have if you play with it. Always keep in mind the physics of the room. That has such a huge impact on your overall sound. Some rooms just naturally sound wonderful and some rooms you can teak forever and never get a good sound. |
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I have an Art Pro MPA II and I love it. I run two Neumann TLM 102 mics into it then it goes directly into the Pro VLA II Tube Compressor, then into the Focusrite 18i8 interface. Works great for me. I'm getting really nice sounding recordings. I know the ART isn't top of the line stuff, but it's good enough for me and for the price I can't complain. I'm on a tight budget and this works for me.
Note: I upgraded the tubes in the ART pre-amp to Telefunken tubes...and in the compressor I upgraded to Mullard tubes.... maybe that's why I'm getting really nice recordings...??
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My solo gigs are usually 1 or 2 QSC K10's, sometimes a small Mackie monitor, Soundcraft mixer, etc. Bringing gear is just part of the job. |
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