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No, it does not "improve tone" , but what it does do is make it so the guitar can be repaired. But beyond that, the other major advantage that is will not "creep".
The advantages of a no creep glue can be subtle, or they can be huge. The real "thing" about hide glue and other protein based/gelatin glues is that they are hydroscopic and will absorb and wick off moisture at very similar rates to the wood, therefore during expansion and contraction cycles the glue expands and contracts along with the wood, where other adhesives do not. If extreme cycles happen with "regular" glue often times seems will start to show distortions, these can telegraph through finishes and show either valleys or peaks in glue seems as well as lead to distortions in areas that have constant load like the neck. From a buisness/money making point of view hide glue is much more labor/time intensive as well as a minor amount of electricity that is used to keep a glue pot hot all day, and yes there is a "skill" that needs to be developed using it. It must be applied correctly in a timely fashion or it will fail. The other advantage of hide glue from a builders perspective is that hide glue comes in or can be made to be different strengths. From virtual epoxy like bond, to a weak temporary tack glue.
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And here I am thinking the OP was baiting in the other thread. BTW, do glue joints resonate? If so, I would have thought this puppy would have disassembled itself after a couple missions with those Rolls-Royce Merlins frequencies playing havoc.
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The opinions will go on forever. I've had hide glue guitars. I worked in the production of gelatin for over thirty years.
The biggest fascination of a hide glue guitar has been and is, is that it is the way guitars and other wood products were made in olden days. It's the original glue. To me that's pretty cool. It's no different than wanting a desk made with no nails. Only wood joints and hide glue. Since I don't get into expensive wood furniture and I am into guitars getting a hand made guitar with wood joints and hide glue is pretty cool and fun to me. I don't need another reason.
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Hi all
I have 3 single builder handbuilt guitars each of which have some parts done with hide glue and other parts with different adhesives. I don't even know all the parts are or are not hide glued. I love all three of these guitars, and they are all life long instruments. The adhesives the builders used are not important to me. I bought each without regard for the builder's preferences in finish, or adhesives. I bought them for the resonance, responsiveness, projection, sustain, and tone. They all have these in abundance. I assumed because their other guitar builds met my criteria, the new one for me would too. And they did. And all have been in my herd for 10 to 25 yrs and aren't going anywhere. All three have so much of the qualities I need in abundance, it's a little like driving a car with 800 horsepower on downtown streets. They nailed every aspect of what I was looking for with qualities yet undiscovered after years of playing them. |
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You're ALL wrong.............only Elmers glue give you that "old school" sound
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Hide glue is awesome for the diy'r
Off topic but I'm gonna comment anyways!
Just sat down and looked at AGF after clamping animal hide glue on a 6" section of my carved upright bass back that had come open. 35 years ago I glued the back on, it has lasted this long with hide glue and through thousands of gigs in all kinds of weather. The stuff is cheap ($5 plus $3 shipping from a violin supplier) super easy to use and incredibly forgiving. If I ever make a guitar I would use hide glue, especially for the neck joint as it will come apart without wrecking wood. Mix water in the glue, heat up, clamp and walk away.
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It isn't true that neck resets have much, if anything, to do with the neck joint, itself, changing over time. Neck rests, in nearly all cases, are due to permanent deformation of the guitar body that results in an unacceptably high string height. A "neck reset" changes the angle the neck makes with the body to (re)establish a geometry that allows a lower string height. It does not return the distorted body to its original geometry, but counters that distortion. It has nothing to do with the neck joint, itself, or any failure thereof. Whether the neck is attached to the body without a joint (Spanish heel), glued or bolted doesn't prevent the need for a neck reset. |
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My custom Esteban has hide glue, and I hear a difference in the tone.
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After I wrote that there was actually more evidence that hide glue has an impact on a guitar’s tone than abalone inlay has, Mike wrote:
Well, I didn’t say it’s COMPELLING evidence! But I do think it has a bit of tonal impact. I know that the Martin Custom Shop workers who would laugh you out of the room if you tried to tell them that abalone purfling “improves” the sound all seem to believe in the tonal impact of hide glue. My own attitude towards hide glue is similar to that of Bob DeVellis. I think it’s fine if that’s what people want, but I’ve never played a high end guitar assembled with hide glue that I’ve wanted to own, much less felt compelled to buy. It’s not as though I feel actively hostile towards hide glue guitars; it’s more like I’m actively indifferent towards them... Hope that makes sense. Wade Hampton Miller |