ToneDexter - The Holy Grail! - Page 10

Gordon Currie · #**136** 05-25-2018, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Jelly

So you are creating a sound model by a different name? Is that what mapping is. I can't imagine what else it'd be. I believe some Fishman models have that option.

Yes, a WaveMap = model, roughly.

The significant value of ToneDexter is that you create a WaveMap of your own guitar, with your own mikes, just the way you like it. You are never stuck wishing that someone had created a model of your rare 1959 balsa wood top OM made by James Olson's great-uncle.

Caveat: I believe it's still early days for this type of application of the technology, so I wouldn't record a solo instrumental guitar album using ToneDexter - yet. But for parts in a busier mix, I think we're getting close and some think we're already there.

The Kid! · #**137** 05-25-2018, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Gordon Currie

Precisely.

You want flat, no EQ. If it is a cut and boost EQ, that is generally 12 o clock.

No need, the loop carries the 'reconstituted' signal and the OC3 should merely see a *better quality* signal. (You never actually hear the WaveMap, it is used internally to dynamically process the incoming piezo signal.)

I'd look at replacing the Red Eye and loop with the ToneDexter and loop. All of the Red-Eye's functionality is handled by the ToneDexter (including any impedance matching). Unless the Red-Eye EQ is superior, if you like the TD, you may end up selling the Red-Eye.

Man, I love this forum and the incredible people on it! Thank you all so much. I will definitely be making room for the Tonedexter on my board!

The Kid! · #**138** 05-25-2018, 03:29 PM

I never hear the Tonedexter Pro mentioned. It appears to have more knobs. Do they still make this one?

https://youtu.be/3Argxbq0vvM <= Link here, because it won't embed

Gordon Currie · #**139** 05-25-2018, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The Kid!

I never hear the Tonedexter Pro mentioned. It appears to have more knobs. Do they still make this one?

That was the original ToneDexter, they redesigned it and relaunched it. Even though it has lots of knobs, I think James May said that some of them were just not useful in actual application.

I keep wishing that ToneDexter came in a Trainer and Player configuration. Buy one Trainer and leave it at home or studio. Buy one or more Players and use the wavemaps created on the Trainer. The Players could possibly be even smaller especially without the tuner (I already have too many tuners).

James May · #**140** 05-25-2018, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Kid!

I never hear the Tonedexter Pro mentioned. It appears to have more knobs. Do they still make this one?

https://youtu.be/3Argxbq0vvM <= Link here, because it won't embed

This was the prototype which never made it to production. Too expensive. The production model is better in every way.

I should add that the prototype did have a 3 band parametric EQ, but none of our beta testers ever used it. It was removed. The simpler bass and treble get the job done for the vast majority of users, once the unit is trained up.

The Kid! · #**141** 05-26-2018, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by James May

This was the prototype which never made it to production. Too expensive. The production model is better in every way.

I should add that the prototype did have a 3 band parametric EQ, but none of our beta testers ever used it. It was removed. The simpler bass and treble get the job done for the vast majority of users, once the unit is trained up.

Thank you both! That’s great news. I’m pretty excited.

So if my Washburn and my J 45 both have the same pickup, and I do the wave map for the J 45, will I be able to make my Washburn sound like my J 45?

Also: will the EQ controls on my pickup affect the tone of the wave map?

James May · #**142** 05-26-2018, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Kid!

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So if my Washburn and my J 45 both have the same pickup, and I do the wave map for the J 45, will I be able to make my Washburn sound like my J 45?

Perhaps. It may work to some degree.

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Originally Posted by The Kid!

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Also: will the EQ controls on my pickup affect the tone of the wave map?

Yes

The Kid! · #**143** 05-28-2018, 01:14 PM

It’s scheduled to be here by the end of the day tomorrow! I’m so excited!

martingitdave · #**144** 05-29-2018, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Kid!

It’s scheduled to be here by the end of the day tomorrow! I’m so excited!

Make sure to report back. I'm eager to read about your initial reactions.

The Kid! · #**145** 05-29-2018, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by James May

Perhaps. It may work to some degree.

Yes

The Tonedexter has arrived! Going to try it out tomorrow.

I have a small Octava condener mic to use for now. Will I need studio headphones to do the wave mapping or can I use a PA speaker on low volume?

Foss38 · #**146** 05-30-2018, 07:14 AM

Is the TD technology similar to a Kemper's ?

jonfields45 · #**147** 05-30-2018, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Foss38

Is the TD technology similar to a Kemper's ?

I think the real magic in Tone Dextor is creating the FIR coefficients (convolution coefficients, impulse response, IR) that are used during performance. I took a stab at trying to describe IR vs. Tone Dextor for a non-engineer here:

https://www.acousticguitarforum.com/...8&postcount=21

gfirob · #**148** 05-30-2018, 06:05 PM

You know, I read your original post and it made no sense to me at all. I wonder if you could take another run at it in words a layman could understand, perhaps in a single paragraph or so. I find it fascinating, but you really left me in the fog in that one. Thanks

James May · #**149** 05-30-2018, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Kid!

The Tonedexter has arrived! Going to try it out tomorrow.

I have a small Octava condener mic to use for now. Will I need studio headphones to do the wave mapping or can I use a PA speaker on low volume?

The main and DI outputs are muted during training to keep from contaminating the process. So no you can't use a PA speaker.

The headphone out is your friend, but you can certainly train without monitoring at all. In that case you would then just audition the results after you store the WaveMap. Make a bunch of Maps from different mic positions, it's easy. Keep the ones you like, delete the ones you don't.

gfirob · #**150** 05-30-2018, 08:03 PM

While what James says is certainly true, a good pair of headphones like the Sony MDR7506 Professional, only cost about $80 and are invaluable for recording and almost any monitoring situation. And they last forever. One of the genuinely exciting things about working with the Tonedexter is actually hearing the process take place, and then comparing wavemaps from different positions or different microphones. It may seem like a pain to pop for another 80 bucks, but good headphones are great tool, even if only to practice quietly. It is the best way to listen to yourself and really evaluate what your playing or singing sounds like.