While the boss is away #2...(your votes needed) - Page 13

nacluth · #**181** 03-07-2017, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by LSemmens

As a suggestion, when the time comes to part with this beastie, it may be worthwhile including a printout of this thread with it, suitably autographed by the builders to show the provenance of such a unique instrument.

That's a good idea. Something to add a little value and authenticity when it comes up on the 2137 edition of Antiques Roadshow.

nootis · #**182** 03-07-2017, 10:55 AM

I guess I'll do the heavy lifting (for now).... Purfling!

nacluth · #**183** 03-07-2017, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by nootis

I guess I'll do the heavy lifting (for now).... Purfling!

Just when you think you've got an overwhelming vote for less work, the management changes their mind. Typical.

cigarfan · #**184** 03-07-2017, 12:17 PM

It's a first! Never seen that many names on the brace side of a top. So cool.

And my votes:

1. Yes to purfling.
2. Moradora wedge.

j. Kinnaird · #**185** 03-07-2017, 03:27 PM

My vote;
No to purfling and no to moradora.

SiliconValleySJ · #**186** 03-07-2017, 04:24 PM

I'm a yes on both purfling and wedge.

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IBKuz · #**187** 03-07-2017, 04:50 PM

Ryan, one clarification if you could, with Purfling is there Purfling on the wedge but just no mitering?

nacluth · #**188** 03-07-2017, 05:07 PM

Yeah, I went back and forth with it, but with the Moradora being a little light in the tan areas, I went ahead and put purfling on it. Now I'm hedging whether to just butt joint that purfling against the side purfling (my original plan) or just go ahead and miter it.

My concern - a philosophical one - is that my goal is to keep cost and time down on this guitar as we have in our F1/C&D models to this point. Now adding purfling is adding time and work. What do y'all think? Should I butt joint the end wedge into the side purfling or should I charge $100 more and miter the joints? Now we're letting the managers get to business.

I'll post some pics in a bit.

Nemoman · #**189** 03-07-2017, 05:17 PM

Since you're doing the purfling, I'd go all the way and miter it.

I realize it adds cost, but that way it doesn't look unfinished or halfway done...

My 2 cents, FWIW--I am a manager now, right?!

ZorroElite · #**190** 03-07-2017, 05:19 PM

Given I don't know what the F1/C&D models typically cost... I'd bet they are still a far cry from a budget guitar.

$100 on a sub $1000 instrument might have a different answer... but while this might be a bit more budget friendly, this is very definitely a premium instrument. And if butting the purfling ends up looking like a detail that was overlooked it would have a far more negative effect than that of raising the price by $100.

I'd definitely miter.

TomB'sox · #**191** 03-07-2017, 05:44 PM

I just got home from work so I want you to work also....MITER is my vote, get yourself a DQ and have at it son....

nacluth · #**192** 03-07-2017, 05:48 PM

That's why y'all make the big bucks. I agree that miters are probably going to be worth it. Now we'll have to re-evaluate the design overall. I'll get to that in a second. First, some pics.

Leveling the sides for the routing process.

Routing the binding channels. This is a process I've done plenty, but alone is a first.

And putting in the end wedge (with purfling).

Now, I originally wasn't going to bind and purfle the peghead and fretboard. It's a simple and clean look. Now that there's purfling all over the body, should I follow suit on the neck? This will be the next vote.

Bind and purfle the neck and peghead - yes or no?

IBKuz · #**193** 03-07-2017, 06:47 PM

I'm always for mitering in general. At the same time, I have seen guitars without it that do not look poor at all.

If the goal is to keep costs down, then this should be the deciding factor, this is one of the reasons why I was for no Purfling (though the discussion has not mention anything about the top or back surfaces).

With Purfling now being added, if mitering is now added, is there enough of a differentiator from a standard Kinnaird model? Sorry to sound like a killjoy, as a manager of the company now, it is important for me to secure the price point of this F1/C&D model so that the company stays financially viable for many years to come. The question is, with the mitering, do we hit the required price point? A $100 increase may actually be a $100 loss in profit. As a manager, we sometimes have to vote with our wallet and not just our eyes

PS With the internet, it is sometimes hard to distinguish between playful indulgence and serious discussion, please note this post is the former, not the later (psst ... I like the mitering better)

TomB'sox · #**194** 03-07-2017, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by IBKuz

I'm always for mitering in general. At the same time, I have seen guitars without it that do not look poor at all.

If the goal is to keep costs down, then this should be the deciding factor, this is one of the reasons why I was for no Purfling (though the discussion has not mention anything about the top or back surfaces).

With Purfling now being added, if mitering is now added, is there enough of a differentiator from a standard Kinnaird model? Sorry to sound like a killjoy, as a manager of the company now, it is important for me to secure the price point of this F1/C&D model so that the company stays financially viable for many years to come. The question is, with the mitering, do we hit the required price point? A $100 increase may actually be a $100 loss in profit. As a manager, we sometimes have to vote with our wallet and not just our eyes

PS With the internet, it is sometimes hard to distinguish between playful indulgence and serious discussion, please note this post is the former, not the later (psst ... I like the mitering better)

Yes indeed, although in jest, I would suggest you look at my two Kinnaird builds and see if there is a significant difference, I think YES!!! HAHA. The first build, my BRW/Italian Spruce SJ had over 76,000 views and greater than 600 comments woot woot. The current one is just a baby at 20,400 views!!!!

Ryan, I think you can't stop now, do the neck and headstock so it all flows together. Sorry!

printer2 · #**195** 03-07-2017, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by nacluth

Now, I originally wasn't going to bind and purfle the peghead and fretboard. It's a simple and clean look. Now that there's purfling all over the body, should I follow suit on the neck? This will be the next vote.

Bind and purfle the neck and peghead - yes or no?

It is a question of balance. yes