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Schertler Roy vs AER Domino 3
Has anyone here had the opportunity to compare these two amps? Both appear to be ideal for acoustic duos.
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I would have loved to. I got my Roy because I got a good eBay deal, but I have no doubt that I would have been really happy with Domino 3 as well. Had a deal on that amp presented itself, I could have easily gone that way.
One thing I will say is that I absolutely LOVE gigging with this format of amp! I use xVive U3 wireless on my mics and the noname version of the Carvin WG5 wireless on my guitar. The only cable I use is one extra long one for power. I use the effects built into the amp. Setup is about two minutes and the sound is just awesome! I absolutely love the lack of clutter! |
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AER Domino 3 seems closer to the Schertler Unico in terms of function and power. 2X8 speakers and 200W for the AER and 1X10 speaker and 250W for the Unico. Seems the AER at $2800 is kind of overpriced compared to the $1500 Unico and especially the $2100 Roy which is quite a bit more capable that either of them.
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ceciltguitar I can tell you I use the Roy for solo and duo gigs and and it's an amazing amp/PA. It's handled every room and outdoor gig I've thrown at it without breaking a sweat |
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I certainly love mine, and yes, it is amazing what it can handle!
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I've owned both and while they were very nice I much prefer my ACUS OneForStrings 8. Absolutely silent when not engaged, superb acoustic reproduction, wide range of tonal adjustment, plus it looks soooo classy and cool with its wood cabinet. Highly recommended if you're in the market for a higher end amp designed for acoustic guitar!
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Both are good-I owned the Domino 3 but returned it as it had a faulty channel. Replaced it with the Roy but found the input gain too sensitive for my microphones-I couldn't sing at significant volume without making it overload.
I returned the Roy and bought a Hughes & Kettner Era 2, which is magnificent amp. Sounds better than both the Domino and Roy and has a great feature set. Less channels than the Roy but just such an outstanding tone for both guitar and vocals...can be used as a bass combo too.
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'67 Gibson J45 (K&K) ‘81 Eko Ranger IV (weird factory Electra pickup) '95 Gibson Dove (MagMic) ‘97 Martin D18GE (Sunrise) ‘01 Takamine EAN46C (Palathetic and CT4B) '02 Takamine EAN20C (Palathetic and CT4BII) '15 Gibson SJ200 Standard (Sunrise) ‘19 Vintage Paul Brett Viator VC Classical ‘20 Sigma CF-100 copy (Sunrise) Capos by G7th, amplification by AER. |
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Schertler Roy vs AER Domino 3
I seriously doubt that. I wouldn’t judge the Roy solely by your experience with one particular amp. The sound I am getting is absolutely stellar. It is certainly equal to what I was getting with my much more complicated Bose L1/T1 setup.
Last edited by lkingston; 09-23-2019 at 12:49 PM. |
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It was doubly frustrating as I really did like the tone of the Roy. However the H&K is absolutely flawless and delivers in every way that I could wish for. I've run it with Sunrise pickups, K&K, MagMics, Piezos, condenser mics, dynamic mics, mic'd percussion, a mixer into the line level Ch4 input, and it's just great. I've been gigging it 3-5 times a week for the last three weeks and it's coped with big rooms, small rooms, loud, quiet, everything. Superb dispersion and projection, not beamy or muddy off axis, just VERY high quality tone with versatile EQ options and great onboard FX. Both the Roy and Era 2 are in broadly the same price bracket, and are contemporaneous of each other in many ways (same speaker layout, output, size and target market) so bear comparison against one another. I'd strongly recommend that anyone shopping in the Roy/Domino 3 area audition the Era 2. The Roy is the closest thing to it sonically, the Domino 3 felt a little harsh and lacking in depth of soundstage in comparison to me, but still a well specced and high quality amplifier. I liked the portability and light weight of the Domino 3, the Roy is one heck of a hefty beast in comparison and the Era 2 is halfway between the two. I think unless you are a particularly loud vocalist or using high output mics, you could be quite happy with any of the three. If I was in your shoes, I'd be auditioning the Roy or Era 2...both are a step on from the Domino 3 in terms of tone and development in my humble opinion.
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'67 Gibson J45 (K&K) ‘81 Eko Ranger IV (weird factory Electra pickup) '95 Gibson Dove (MagMic) ‘97 Martin D18GE (Sunrise) ‘01 Takamine EAN46C (Palathetic and CT4B) '02 Takamine EAN20C (Palathetic and CT4BII) '15 Gibson SJ200 Standard (Sunrise) ‘19 Vintage Paul Brett Viator VC Classical ‘20 Sigma CF-100 copy (Sunrise) Capos by G7th, amplification by AER. |
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I personally love working with other musicians in a duo or trio format. For me, it really has to be a multichannel amp. It also has to be able to handle the low frequencies of a cajon and acoustic bass. My absolute favorite format is my guitar and voice with one or two other singers trading off vocals and harmonies. Other times I might work with another guitarist or jazz violinist. I really need the extra channels. The Roy is probably the best game in town for my particular needs. If I was using a mic that was overpowering the preamp, I would probably just get a 10db pad something like this:
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Seems I saw where the last generation Jam series which was called the SR Technology Jam series, were designed and built in Italy by the people now producing Acus gear. Could be mistaken. But seems I read that somewhere and the designs are certainly very similar.
I have an ACUS All for One. 350W, 2X8, 6 channel, sounds great. Pretty similar to the Jam 400 that preceded the current Schertler Roy. So I was happy to find a good deal on an ACUS 350 a few weeks back on Amazon. Not as happy when it arrived not working which is OK.. happens.. but the tech support for the small town in Italy was awful. Which is not OK. There's just no support for these.
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From my perspective, the Roy is a bit upscale from the Era 2 in features and price. An input pad for your favorite mic not withstanding. And I do like the 31lb weight and 400W power of the H&K. However, some need the full array of inputs and other features available on the Roy. For me the 2 channel setup is fine. But I can't live with a weak EQ section. And the Era 2 only has a simple bass, mid, treble set up. Roy isn't all that great in this regard either but at least has a couple of channels with a parametric mid. Wish either company would just offer a 400W, 2X8 powered speaker. Would really rather provide my own signal processing but want the high quality sound.
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As you said, "better" is an entirely subjective concept. I know players who adore their AERs but I couldn't get on with them. I know guys who do solo acoustic shows with 15" powered speakers and subs and love the tone and bass extension for percussive playing or looping. Whilst I occasionally employ that style of playing, that setup would be overkill for me. I really liked the feature set of the Roy, and the guitar tone was fantastic. The gain issue was odd and, whilst I would have lived with it if the gain scenario had been different, I found it a heavy unit and wasn't mad about the reverb tone. That stuff is all just salad though...the main course is overall tone, which both the Roy and Era 2 have in spades. The latter was right for me but I think you would be happy with either...both worth an audition.
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'67 Gibson J45 (K&K) ‘81 Eko Ranger IV (weird factory Electra pickup) '95 Gibson Dove (MagMic) ‘97 Martin D18GE (Sunrise) ‘01 Takamine EAN46C (Palathetic and CT4B) '02 Takamine EAN20C (Palathetic and CT4BII) '15 Gibson SJ200 Standard (Sunrise) ‘19 Vintage Paul Brett Viator VC Classical ‘20 Sigma CF-100 copy (Sunrise) Capos by G7th, amplification by AER. |
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BTW.. your Era 2 was designed by an AER engineer/founder.
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Thank you to all responders so far for an interesting and nuanced discussion!
Although part of me wants to buy a Roy after reading the discussion, I will probably end up buying 1 or 2 QSC CP8s and a Soundcraft 12 channel mixer, because: 1) CP8s weigh about 20 lbs each, vs 30ish lbs for Domino 3, 50ish lbs for the Roy. 2) Mixer can be placed right beside me on a lightweight foldable waiter stand for immediate access, and speakers can be placed ANYWHERE. 3) Mixer is more channels than I need, but will be usable on the rare occasions that I want / need more channels. 4) Mixer can be used with ANY powered speakers, so easy to make changes if needed or desired down the road. Still open to suggestions, though, and learned a lot from the great discussion so far. |