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"I hear that Wagner's music is better than it sounds." Now I understand that joke's intent. I laugh first. But there's a corollary to the statement, whatever it's intent: we sometimes stop our listening at some superficial level, foregoing the ability to draw from interesting concepts that lurk beneath, because we don't like the first (or second) things that strikes us about about it. Now, I'm not jumping on you, though I made this a quote reply. This is more at a general observation to musicians as music listeners. I'm nearly as prone the next one of us in listening to what I want to listen to most of the time: life is only so long, music should be about pleasure (even angry music or music about frustration has the ability to please). I like rougher, funkier music. I'm a lousy vocalist, so I'm not going to go to Pet Sounds to get ideas on how to arrange harmony vocals or cop the falsetto lead vocal lines. I like to think I'm broad in my taste for instrumentation, but there's a reason I'm typing this on a guitar forum. But there is stuff to steal (excuse me, I mistyped: there are things to inspire our own completely original compositions ) from Pet Sounds: those unusual melodic contours that the OP found so odd, some of those chord movements in the harmony vocals would sound nice transposed to guitar voicings. It's a electric guitar piece, and an earlier Brian Wilson tune, but there's this:
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Speaking of The Beach Boys, here's a pretty cool 1964 concert:
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Obviously music is in the long run, a subjective medium and thus any music is going to be subject to favorable and unfavorable critique (as it should be)
Perhaps though some historical perspective ? In the mid 60's "Rock" music, aka "Rock & Roll" was simply a new moniker for the changing face of "Pop" music,,,, or "Popular Music". As such it was a fairly diverse "genre" Especially in light of what could be heard on any single given " Popular Radio" channel . It more or less encompassed what has now morphed into multi sub genre's of things like .... Folk Rock , Jazz Rock, Blues Rock, Hard Rock, Classic Rock, Motown, Psychedelic Rock and the beginnings of things like Metal, and "Alt Rock" Now: As to why Pet Sounds is considered to be a seminal album is arguably more for the historical importance in production than of the songs themselves. In fact according to Wiki "initially met with a lukewarm critical and commercial response in the United States, peaking at number 10 on Billboard Top LPs chart." But is considered as being one of the first" concept" type albums, one of the first "self produced" albums (by the artist/s) And one of the first to bring in a number of different musical sounds and elements, not normally associated with a Popular or Rock production.
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Once again I'm reminded why I don't come to internet forums for the music reviews.
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I see that Pet Sounds is #2 on Rolling Stone's latest and Greatest 500 Albums, just behind Marvin Gaye's "What's Going On".
I've been listening to it a bit since this thread popped up. I've never been a big Beach Boys fan. I find their music a bit too sweet, or something. I can't, of course, put myself back into 1966, when it probably sounded more revolutionary. But it's a pretty good album. There is something they do with the lead vocal to make it sound fuller and more lush and chorus-y that I just don't like. And so many bop-bop sounds. I know that's the Beach Boy sound, and sold millions of records, so it's clearly very popular. I do like the different instruments and different approaches to song structure. One of the comments I seem to see is that with Pet Sounds the BB moved away from boy-girl/car/surf themes, but it still seems like boy-girl songs to me. I guess the comment is meant to indicate a more evolved approach to the subject, and I'd agree with that. |
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Pertinent as well, is that the Pet Sounds' era Beach Boys were very influenced by Rubber Soul. Seems like a bit of a back and forth going on there.
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I always thought it meant that if, instead of just listening to the notes, one put it into context, and understood the history around it, it would be more meaningful. Sort of like a lot of paintings that otherwise don't stand out. |
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Asking about the "They say that Richard Wagner's music is better than it sounds."
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Here's a nice short discussion of how the quote was reused by it's apparent originator and then by Mark Twain Quote Investigator (a great site for checking on quotes in general) on this one/
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I agree with the straight up joke, which is a good one, and then mathematically squared in humour by its deeper meanings. I'm a bit of a Twain fan so thanks again. edit: so, if my secondary analysis is correct, it's a bit of a slam on Wagner. Well, it will take a bit of time for my mind to re-orient that. I suspect I can do it, as I'm not a big Wagner fan. Funny how I've spent years liking that quote but not understanding it. Last edited by mc1; 10-24-2020 at 07:09 PM. |
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What a tasteful and magnificent player.
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