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but I think they share some responsibility in trying to curtail the flow of copies of their patents, I'm not so sure they do enough, if anything at all about it..
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Here's the real facts on the legality of purchasing counterfeit goods courtesy of the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency: https://www.cbp.gov/FakeGoodsRealDan...20and%20drugs. Here's a copy / paste from the linked website information: "Legal Implications - It is illegal to purchase counterfeit goods. Bringing them into the United States may result in civil or criminal penalties. Purchasing counterfeit goods supports criminal activities such as money laundering and trafficking in illegal guns and drugs. Remember, if it seems like a steal, it is." |
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While that may have been the case 20 years ago, knock offs are now pretty impressive and can actually be quite difficult to spot unless you really know what you're looking for. I would submit that someone with even the slightest experience with guitars would not have that level of knowledge... |
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I recently notified Martin about a fake being sold locally on Craigslist.
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One question I *do* know the answer to, however, is whether it is better to buy from a responsible, decent company using verifiable legal timbers, or from a company in a country that uses huge amounts of pirate timber from illegal, unsustainable logging, at vast cost to the enviroinment? According to Interpol, as much as 30% of the world'd logging is illegal. China is by far the world's biggest importer of illegal timber. Indonesia also has an appalling record of illegal clearfelling. So let's think this through again: Quote:
As for the fakery, there are two sorts. (1) Fakes designed to fool buyers and sell for close to full price. These are bad every way you look at it. And (b) fakes not really designed to fool anyone. These are less harmful. I remember owning a fake watch many years ago. It cost $15 and was styled to look very like a very expensive brand. (Can't remember which one, but one of those famous European names.) I used to wear it on nights out because it looked nice. No-one was fooled by it - a Cartier or Christen Dior watch om my wrist? Not likely! - and the big name - let's say it was Dior - missed out on nothing, because the chance of me spending $10,000 for a watch is exactly zero. (Crikey, I wouldn't spend $100 on a watch! I keep my money for important stuff like camera lenses and guitars.) But it was technically illegal just the same.
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Not too many years ago you could buy fake designer watches on NY street corners for $5.00. Of course, the "gold" would turn green in a few months...
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On a funny note I was in Spain once and as is typical of Spain in the summer it was hot as blazes complete with bright sun and no clouds. I needed a pair of sun glasses badly as the bright sun was hurting my eyes. Anyway there were these sidewalk vendors that would hit on the tourists with knock off items. I got a pair of sunglasses that I knew were knock offs but my eyes felt better. And the price was low.
The funny part was the designer name easily rubbed off, and when I looked down even the slightest unevenness into the cobblestones it looked like I was walking into a massive hole!
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Patent and trademark protections that were later overturned is an old story. An inventor named George B. Seldon once held a patent covering all motor vehicles. The manufacturers of early automobiles had to pay him a royalty on every car they made. But Henry Ford refused to pay the royalties, was sued for patent infringement, and won, thus killing the patent and making the automobile a generic design in the public domain. Did this case influence the history of guitar shapes? Well, probably not.
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According to findlaw.com, "In the U.S., federal law protecting trademarks makes it illegal to knowingly traffic counterfeit goods, which includes the production, sale and transport of such goods. The U.S. Department of Justice, however, has stated that federal law doesn’t prohibit an individual from buying a counterfeit product for personal use, even if they do so knowingly."
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