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2017 CITES Rosewood Ban
I didn't realize that there was CITES ban on all rosewood until i visited Simons website recently. I have two guitars, one with Kingwood B/S and Madagascar B/S. I understand the ban doesn't apply for instruments carried for personal use while travel internationally.
My wife and I are considering moving back to Sweden when I retire and I'm not sure what would be required. Anyone have any experience with this? Thanks! curt |
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Hi Curt,
The ban applies to new instrument sales. If you guys move back to Sweden look into getting a "Guitar Passport". Maybe someone will come along and post some links in this thread. If not, give me a call sometime and I'll help you figure out what paperwork you need. |
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Hi Curt,
In July I hand-carried my new Maddie rosewood Wingert from LA to Australia via Germany and The Netherlands and had no problems. In case I was asked about it Kathy printed out a page that listed all the woods and their weights and I carried that with me but no one asked for it at any stage or even looked at the guitar. And here is a link Kathy sent me that explains the ability to hand carry a personal guitar - https://reverb.com/news/new-cites-re...sewood-species Hope that helps, Col |
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A passport for guitars? What has the bureaucracy come to! How many man hours chase this crap....
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That would seem to be the main goal.
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This is an International (CITES) law to save dalbergia from certain areas - specifically Brazil, and Madagascar. Trouble is it is difficult for Customs folk to identify the source so ALL dalbergia is now part of the law.
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Glad you are back on the forum.
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For anybody reading, Howard is probably far more informed than me about the new Rosewood regulations - so I defer to his knowledge and recommendation on this topic. Now excuse me while I return to resting atop my tonewood stash to keep Hurricane Irma from blowing it away. Last edited by Simon Fay; 09-10-2017 at 12:15 PM. |
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I won't quote him publicly, but according to someone (who I fully trust) who does this very often, does this for a living and plays it safe at all times, you don't need any paperwork for your personal instrument.
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I am not the expert on CITES or other laws involving tonewood and guitars. I just commented because I see that the word "ban" is causing unnecessary grief.
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"Still a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest." --Paul Simon Last edited by Howard Klepper; 09-10-2017 at 02:47 PM. |
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My own experiences have been tedious but not problematic. I have received every permit I have applied for, and every shipment needing CITES has gone through, knock on wood.
I do find it somewhat silly overall in that the same guitar sent as a gift can go with no papers, but as a sale would require a permit. But hey... It's just more paperwork and hoopjumping at the border. |
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Thanks folks, really appreciate it.
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Sorry double post!
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Hi Howard,
I understand where you're coming from and that does make sense. I'll word things differently in the future. I personally haven't had any interaction with the new regulations but will need to so for a few upcoming international commissions that will incorporate Rosewood. |
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I wonder how much trouble all those laminated EIR guitars will cause people at the borders? Or just a rosewood fretboard and bridge.
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